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29 Sep

Joe Boever vs. Manny Acosta. Also, game thread, Marlins at Braves

Joe Boever Statistics and History – Baseball-Reference.com

Seasons with Braves: 1987-1990
Notable Stats: 4.24 ERA, 70% save percentage
Notable Achievements: I still don’t know what a “palmball” is. Most-similar pitcher is Jim Acker, which seems about right.

Versus:

Manny Acosta Statistics and History – Baseball-Reference.com

Seasons with Braves: 2007-2009
Notable Stats: .294/.388/.565 allowed in high leverage situations
Notable Achievements: Released by the Yankees as a minor leaguer.

184 Responses to “Joe Boever vs. Manny Acosta. Also, game thread, Marlins at Braves”

  1. 1
    c. shorter Says:

    oh, the old palm ball…

  2. 2
    cliff Says:

    Mac,

    A palmball is a pitch otherwise thrown like a fastball, but not off the fingers. last point of release is the palm. It produces a straight change up (not that you didn’t already know that, you sly devil).

  3. 3
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    Can we not get all wound up over a missed call in Colorado? Yeah, it looks like Barmes missed the play but faked it well enough to get the call. That’s the game. I guarantee you that Yunel Escobar or Martin Prado would have tried the same thing, and if they had gotten away with it no one would have been too terribly upset by the “cheating.”

    If the Braves want to make the playoffs they need to win the next six games and let the rest of it fall where it may. Clint Barmes is not the focus here.

  4. 4
    hpotter Says:

    Schuerholz interview today on Fox Business News- http://tinyurl.com/yculgd3

  5. 5
    cliff Says:

    Is this a team of density? (cue Huey Lewis and the News, Power of Love).

  6. 6
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Speaking of Acker, I’m not sure why I didn’t include him. His ERAs are decent, I suppose that’s why, but on the other hand he was 7-27. That’s the worst record of anyone in the period with more than a handful of decisions… I hadn’t realized that Acker was a first-round pick of the Braves whom they lost three years later on a Rule 5 pick. How do you give up on a first-rounder after three years? Then four years later they traded to get him back…

  7. 7
    Adam R Says:

    If we still had Kolb or Paronto, or if McCann had worked out a little less this past offseason, then maybe we’d be a team of density.

  8. 8
    Ethan Says:

    @3

    It doesn’t matter…hope is dead. Much easier that way.

  9. 9
    billy-jay Says:

    @Sam:

    +1

  10. 10
    Dan Says:

    Right now, the Rockies odds of making the playoffs is 72.1%.

    If the Rockies win and the Braves lose, the Rockies’ odds shoot up to 92.1%.

    But if the Braves win and the Rockies lose tonight, the Rockies’ postseason odds plummet to 47.8%.

  11. 11
    rehabreject Says:

    &@#$ yeah!
    http://tiny.cc/wkSRE

  12. 12
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    I like this…”Whether it’s pitch selection, mechanics or plain old execution, Marquis is struggling these days. He has a 6.49 ERA in his past six starts, during which the Rockies are 1-5, and has given up five earned runs in four of those”

  13. 13
    rehabreject Says:

    the next line is even better where it basically says “Marquis OPP BA is .300″

  14. 14
    Dusty Says:

    RE: Barmes catch.

    Yeah, I slomo’d that like 100 times as it happened and tried to convince my wife he didn’t catch it and it ticked me off that no one mentioned it. LaRussa looked like he was coming out to talk to the home plate ump afterwards, too.

    I saw that the ball had transferred to his bare-hand during the roll and was convinced it had to have hit the ground, but the video evidence didn’t back me up.

  15. 15
    Alex R. Says:

    If only Ned Yost was still managing the Brew Crew, we’d have an ex-Brave leading the way to increase the Brewer insenity against the Rockies.

  16. 16
    P. W. Hjort Says:

    Looks like Mauer is going to catch 19 innings today.

  17. 17
    Brian J. Says:

    Dan, that last probability seems a bit low considering that the Rockies would still be a game ahead. Where did you get those numbers?

    Go Brewers and Go Astros!

  18. 18
    Stu Says:

    16—My in-the-championship fantasy team thanks him for his commitment.

  19. 19
    Dan Says:

    that last probability seems a bit low considering that the Rockies would still be a game ahead

    It’s the Nationals effect.

  20. 20
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Yeah, there are two reasons: the Braves’ schedule is easier (and all at home; the Rockies finish at LA), and the Braves’ statistics are better than the Rockies’, especially post-Jeffy.

  21. 21
    Kevin Frace Says:

    @ 7 – Don’t forget big Bob Wickman!

  22. 22
    Stu Says:

    Also, in the case of a one-game playoff, the Braves would be the favorites, since they’d host the game and are statistically better.

  23. 23
    hankonly Says:

    I sure hope this is a team of density. If not, they’ll just fade into bolivian.

  24. 24
    P. W. Hjort Says:

    22,
    And the match-up, provided neither the Braves or the Rockies alter their rotation, would be Vazquez vs. Jason Hammel (Aaron Cook could conceivably start on short rest).

  25. 25
    sdp Says:

    http://rowlandsoffice.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/free-braves-tickets/

  26. 26
    Rufino Linares Says:

    Actually, isn’t muscle denser than fat? So for the team of density, it’d have to be Ron Gant and… uh… That’s all I got.

  27. 27
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    Seriously people (in the ATL area.) Off yer asses and downtown!

  28. 28
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    Gant and Franco – old dude was ripped.

  29. 29
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    Anyone gets down there and wants to meet, email me at samh then the at sign then the Bellsouth then the dot then the net.

  30. 30
    Rufino Linares Says:

    @ 28-

    Good call, I guess Brian Jordan would have to count too.

  31. 31
    cliff Says:

    @28,

    I haven’t seen it on here, but Julio was managing a Mets lower level farm club (GCL?) and got fired.

    I didn’t get anything on the “why”, though.

  32. 32
    Stu Says:

    If I were in the ATL, I’d be there, Sam.

  33. 33
    JL Says:

    Being as how we are increasingly choking at the bat, that Josh Johnson is starting for the fish and that we presently are more lucky than good on offense …

    I am predicting the Braves get no-hit tonight yet win 1-0. Notice no wave or sunami metaphors on this occasion.

  34. 34
    NickC Says:

    #33, Let’s go with a Norton pinch hit sacrifice bunt being thrown into right field to bring home the winning run.

  35. 35
    Nathan Says:

    Well, doesn’t look like Tim is missing up, even if that was not an optimal first inning.

  36. 36
    JL Says:

    I was thinking more along the lines of Uggla being a power hitting Pete Orr and booting 2 in 1 inning.

  37. 37
    sdp Says:

    JUMP ON HIS ASS, BRAVES!

    My stomach is churning.

  38. 38
    Rusty S. Says:

    @23 – at least the odds aren’t a brazilian to one any more…

  39. 39
    NickC Says:

    This is Tim Hudson circa 05-06. Too much up in the zone, too many fly balls.

  40. 40
    Coach (2010- Mediocrity rules) Says:

    Huddy just needs to settle down. I think the cold temps in Atlanta are adversely affecting his pitching.

  41. 41
    Brian J. Says:

    Thank you, Matty!

  42. 42
    Joshua Says:

    I freakin’ HATE Johnson.

  43. 43
    Dan Says:

    Why didn’t Hudson just throw straight strikes and let Johnson sacrifice bunt? He is giving you an out.

  44. 44
    Dan Says:

    I thought you left Coach?

  45. 45
    Coach (2010- Mediocrity rules) Says:

    Well, Freddie Gonzalez definitely out managed Cox by having his pitcher swinging away but the Braves executed a perfect relay throw to home plate, and nailed what would have been the second run of the inning with the tag. The Braves are fortunate to only be down 1-0.

  46. 46
    JL Says:

    Alas, #34 and I were both wrong (although his scenario was better). We are going to have to work pitch counts like crazy ’cause we ain’t going to hit this big bastard. Fish have soft underbellies and the Marlins’ is their bullpen.

  47. 47
    Coach (2010- Mediocrity rules) Says:

    Like Brett Favre, I unretired.

  48. 48
    Coach (2010- Mediocrity rules) Says:

    huddy did throw a strike and Josh Johnson hit it. Wow, Escobar just stole second on his own.

  49. 49
    Coach (2010- Mediocrity rules) Says:

    Speaking of Josh Johnson, the big 6-7 horse is dealing. Our Braves are in deep doodoo if they can’t keep the score close.

  50. 50
    Coach (2010- Mediocrity rules) Says:

    Wow, that was one hell of a throw from B-Mac to nail the runner at 2B trying to steal. His defense behind the plate is getting better everyday.

  51. 51
    Coach (2010- Mediocrity rules) Says:

    And Huddy is starting to get his groove on.

  52. 52
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Question: is Brian McCann the best position player the Braves’ minor league system has produced since Andruw Jones, or the best player the Braves’ minor league system has produced since Chipper Jones?

  53. 53
    Grst Says:

    Ok, see, when there’s 3 balls you can move out of the way.

    Edit: lame.

  54. 54
    stupup74 Says:

    That is the second time in two nights that Prado has swung at the first pitch when the batter before him has walked.

    That was a piss poor AB.

  55. 55
    NickC Says:

    Also, when two of the last 3 guys have been walked, don’t swing at the first pitch.

  56. 56
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    well damn

  57. 57
    Coach (2010- Mediocrity rules) Says:

    Freddie Gonzalez has his pitcher swinging away and they get a run. Cox has his pitcher bunt and we come up empty. Some things never change.

    One strategy is aggressive and risky. The other is passive and sound baseball doctrine.

    Can you say Dan Uggla, crap!!! I wish he were a Brave.

  58. 58
    Coach (2010- Mediocrity rules) Says:

    52, AJ is arguably the best defensive position player I have ever seen in a Braves uniform.

  59. 59
    david15 Says:

    Johnson was bunting until he got two strikes, wasn’t he?

  60. 60
    Brian J. Says:

    Thank you to Garret for not completely screwing up.

    And the Fillies lead 5-1 against Houston, damn their hides.

  61. 61
    P. W. Hjort Says:

    52,
    A chance to be better than Andruw, sure. Remember, though, Andruw, like McCann, played a premium position and was a plus plus defender there.

  62. 62
    Brian J. Says:

    And Andruw was with us for 10+ years, almost all of them very good to outstanding. McCann’s been an excellent catcher, but he’s got a long way to go to catch up with Andruw’s value.

  63. 63
    Brian J. Says:

    Oh, crap.

  64. 64
    ububba Says:

    Nggg.

  65. 65
    P. W. Hjort Says:

    I was about to say, Boog, I’m pretty sure Hudson gave up more than 1 HR in 2008.

  66. 66
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Dammit.

  67. 67
    Coach (2010- Mediocrity rules) Says:

    4-1 Marlins, ballgame and season likely in the damn tank.

  68. 68
    RobBroad4th Says:

    Hope doesn’t get you runs.

    Hell, eleven walks barely got us any runs.

  69. 69
    Dan Says:

    The Braves really bombed tonight.

    I’d rather have had Kawakami out there tonight.

  70. 70
    JC Says:

    NPHE is up.

  71. 71
    Marc Says:

    I knew we were doomed when they launched the ‘Believe’ campaign. I was in St. Louis when they did that exact thing for the Rams before the start of the ’07 season. They’ve won all of 5 games since.

  72. 72
    Brian J. Says:

    Greg Norton reminding us that there is one thing for the hopeless to look forward to after Sunday: no more Greg Norton.

  73. 73
    RobBroad4th Says:

    69, ditto.

  74. 74
    JLatt Says:

    i see you greg norton. best possible result.

  75. 75
    NickC Says:

    Weren’t we winning when Coach wasn’t here?

  76. 76
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    uh, don’t we have half the game left?

  77. 77
    RobBroad4th Says:

    Chipper needs to go yard here.

  78. 78
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    Get ‘em Brian…

  79. 79
    Volume Says:

    LETS GO BRIAN!!!

  80. 80
    RobBroad4th Says:

    Well crap.

  81. 81
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    That sucked.

  82. 82
    Bethany Says:

    Freaking pitiful.

  83. 83
    Brian J. Says:

    3-1, bases loaded, and we get a popup. Ferchrissake, why can’t we get a big hit tonight?

  84. 84
    JLatt Says:

    at least johnson will be gone at the very least. but dang brian…

  85. 85
    Volume Says:

    sigh

  86. 86
    P. W. Hjort Says:

    Man, Kawakami’s putting it exactly where he wants it.

  87. 87
    Dan Says:

    The Brewers had the bases loaded against Marquis in the first and didn’t score.

    Luck’s run out.

  88. 88
    Brian J. Says:

    Well, here’s KK, an hour and fifty minutes late.

  89. 89
    the braves blow here Says:

    This line up blows.

    Hudson blows.

    And the Braves blow.

    NO HOPE

  90. 90
    csg Says:

    this hope thing is causing negativity, weve won 15 of 17 and people are saying the Braves suck, unreal

  91. 91
    Adam R Says:

    Hey, Brewers tied it.

  92. 92
    JL Says:

    Norton remains at 1/2 of the Mendoza line as LHB. Plus, his sorry ass has hit the boxscore and he is sitting on the bench. This has been very good for us lately in the karma department. Hang in there KK. We are down, but not out yet. I must admit the bats are choking big time. No one really looks very good. How far from the Ted is Heyward right now?

  93. 93
    NickC Says:

    Adam hasn’t hit a home run in a while.

  94. 94
    RobBroad4th Says:

    Let’s get it going! Come on, Bert!

  95. 95
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    Well here’s ANOTHER chance to get in it…

  96. 96
    RobBroad4th Says:

    88,

    No one said that.

  97. 97
    braves14 Says:

    MATTY DIAZ

  98. 98
    Andy B Says:

    DIAZ!

  99. 99
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    Christ on a freakin’ crutch, can’t we get one “big hit”?

  100. 100
    JC Says:

    MATTY D!!!!

  101. 101
    Brian J. Says:

    MATTY!!!!!!!!!

    You saved our season, Matt!

    Imagine the groans in Denver and Philly when they see this!

  102. 102
    Coz Says:

    Yes!!!

  103. 103
    urlhix Says:

    WHOOOO!!!!

  104. 104
    the braves blow here Says:

    88

    Meh I dunno. I guess I just had my heart broken by this team too many times as a youth. And whenever I bad mouth them they seem to do better.

  105. 105
    david15 Says:

    woohoo

  106. 106
    JoeyT Says:

    This is unbelievable. I love this team.

  107. 107
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    Ask and you get, I guess.

  108. 108
    Adam M Says:

    wow.

  109. 109
    csg Says:

    #94 – read #87

  110. 110
    RobBroad4th Says:

    Beautiful!

    97,

    Careful, I’ve offended a lot of people on here for lesser comments.

  111. 111
    Robert Says:

    Wow. Matty Diaz. Beautiful.

  112. 112
    JoeyT Says:

    Look how red the pitcher’s face is. I don’t know if it’s always like that, but it fits.

  113. 113
    'Rissa Says:

    Wow, when Matt Diaz struck out in his last at-bat I thought, “he’ll do something awesome next time, because that’s what he does after doing something pathetic.” Thank you Matt! I love being right!

  114. 114
    csg Says:

    Diaz is just terrible against Fla

  115. 115
    Smitty Says:

    MATHEW FUCKING DIAZ!!!!!!!

  116. 116
    sdp Says:

    MARLINS KILLER!!

  117. 117
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    108 Right – forgot about the ban on that sort of thing.

  118. 118
    Rusty S. Says:

    Ok, now we have to start another rally.

  119. 119
    NickC Says:

    Ryan Braun has hit 2 ground rule doubles tonight with a man on first. Both times they’d have scored standing up had it stayed in the park and both times Prince Fielder has been IBB’d.

  120. 120
    RobBroad4th Says:

    107,

    Yep, that’s it. :)

  121. 121
    csg Says:

    MIL has bases loaded with 1 out

  122. 122
    Smitty Says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDY2I5pni90

  123. 123
    krugerindustrialsmoothing Says:

    brewers load ‘em up again. I still have no hope.

  124. 124
    Andy B Says:

    Marquis pitching terribly. Walked in a run.

  125. 125
    csg Says:

    2-1 MIL

  126. 126
    NickC Says:

    Marquis walks in a run. He doesn’t look like he’ll last long in this game.

    And then Mike Cameron grounds into a double play.

  127. 127
    Smitty Says:

    The Brewers own Marquis

  128. 128
    Adam M Says:

    @121 and twice Cameron has squandered the bases loaded.

  129. 129
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    Well this will all make the inevitable loss tonight that much more soul crushing.

  130. 130
    JL Says:

    Marquis flat sucks. Letting him off with only 2 runs would be criminal on the Brewer’s part.

  131. 131
    csg Says:

    better find a way to keep him from scoring

  132. 132
    Volume Says:

    god damnit Mike Cameron

    This should be more than 2-1 with how bad Marquis has been struggling

    But let’s just win

  133. 133
    braves14 Says:

    Marquis has walked 4 and struck out 1 in 3 innings.

  134. 134
    braves14 Says:

    Damn it, found a hole.

  135. 135
    c. shorter Says:

    I had turned off the (internet) radio… I quit on the season once again. Then Matty brought me back.

    And now another run surrendered. Argh…

  136. 136
    Brian J. Says:

    Ah dammit. Well, we’ll just have to get that one back too.

  137. 137
    braves14 Says:

    We have the 2-3-4 spots coming up next inning.

  138. 138
    Adam M Says:

    I’d ask if the IBBs will come back to haunt us but I already know the answer.

  139. 139
    JoeyT Says:

    This might be our setup guy next year. I’m okay with that.

  140. 140
    Marc Says:

    Only 9 outs left, we have to SCORE!

  141. 141
    sdp Says:

    Fucking Kawakami.

  142. 142
    braves14 Says:

    Prado wasn’t swinging at strikes.

  143. 143
    csg Says:

    neither was Chipper

  144. 144
    braves14 Says:

    That was not a strike. That was in the other batter’s box you idiot umpire.

    Good thing McCann bailed you out by walking anyway.

  145. 145
    csg Says:

    if only Chipper had taken the 3-2 pitch

  146. 146
    braves14 Says:

    Damn, damn, damn.

  147. 147
    RobBroad4th Says:

    When will we take a pitch?! Horrible approach.

  148. 148
    Marc Says:

    Man, Esco, at least take the first pitch.

  149. 149
    Dan Says:

    I really hate first pitch swinging outs.

  150. 150
    rehabreject Says:

    I’m angry at Escobar … but if he’d hit a first pitch single we’d all be cheering.

    but since he didn’t, Escobar you !@#$

  151. 151
    braves14 Says:

    Ok, bottom of the order, let’s get it going.

  152. 152
    Mac Thomason Says:

    I smell hope.

  153. 153
    RobBroad4th Says:

    I smell choke.

  154. 154
    Dan Says:

    Hope stinks worse than the sickening scent of mint.

  155. 155
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Keep hope dead. As I keep texting to my friends who are Rockies fans, “Y’all got this in the bag.” These friends probably want to strap me to the undercarriage of a bison.

  156. 156
    ryan c Says:

    seriously…infante? down 1 run with 2 outs and nobody on? conrad? kj? ross? they all have a better chance of tying it…

  157. 157
    braves14 Says:

    Better than the Virus.

  158. 158
    Dan Says:

    How many homeruns does Infante have? It’s one or two.

  159. 159
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Perhaps Infante can leg one out, steal second and then you never know … oh, wait, that’s hope. Keep hope dead.

  160. 160
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Why is Medlen warming up? If you think Soriano’s your best pitcher in the bullpen, you should use him for the ninth no matter what happens. Well, I mean, if we have a seven-run rally, we shouldn’t, but you know what I mean.

  161. 161
    braves14 Says:

    McLouth hasn’t homered in a long time, it seems.

  162. 162
    sdp Says:

    Shit. Where’s Kevin Gregg when you need him?

  163. 163
    Dan Says:

    Medlan? Seems Cox has given up hope too.

  164. 164
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    It’s easy not to have hope, especially when the Brewers have turned to a pitcher who looks suspiciously like Bob Wickman.

  165. 165
    Mac Thomason Says:

    It’s actually Kolb in a Wickman mask.

  166. 166
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    He has a Kolbian command of the strike zone.

  167. 167
    Trace Says:

    Colorado looks like it’s gonna blow that game open.

  168. 168
    Brian J. Says:

    Chipper, this would be a good time for #19.

  169. 169
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Rockies take the lead, 3-2.

  170. 170
    sdp Says:

    Chipper wants to go deep right here.

  171. 171
    Dan Says:

    Cue the Price is Right fail horns.

  172. 172
    Brian J. Says:

    … but there is no good time for that.

  173. 173
    braves14 Says:

    Season over.

  174. 174
    sdp Says:

    ASDFJKLSDAJFLKSADJFLA;

  175. 175
    the braves blow here Says:

    169

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

  176. 176
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Especially given the Yakety Sax routine from the Brewers infield just now.

  177. 177
    Dan Says:

    HOPE!

  178. 178
    c. shorter Says:

    well, that wasn’t fun.

  179. 179
    Brian J. Says:

    Nota Bene to the Braves and especially their marketing department:

    Stop helping us.

  180. 180
    stupup74 Says:

    Fun while it lasted

  181. 181
    Ben Says:

    Well, it was a good run while it lasted. After tonight, it should be 3 back with 5 to go…complete Rockies collapse is all we can hope for now. If I had hope, that is.

  182. 182
    RobBroad4th Says:

    Some truly awful at bats in key situations tonight. Not all of the pitchers we face are going to walk in runs.

    But as I’ve said numerous times before, it’s been fun and I’m impressed we’ve managed to make it this far.

  183. 183
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Too many guys swinging like Jeff Francoeur. True pressure did not bring out the best in these guys, sadly.

  184. 184
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Recapped. Stupid hopies.

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