31 Aug
Sick of the Fish game thread: Aug. 31, Braves at Marlins
So, who comes up tomorrow?
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why Gorecki over Infante in CF? and why is Norton still a brave and still hitting in big spots throughout the game? Do us a favor and walk him, please
August 31st, 2009 at 2:06 pmGuesses: Blanco, Valdez, Sammons, and Brooks Conrad.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:07 pmIf nothing else, we should see Conrad get some of Norton’s ABs. He’s got a lotta making up to do.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:09 pmHAHA. I’d be beyond furious if I were a Royals fan.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:14 pmKansas City is a swirling pit of madness:
The Associated Press: Gailey out, Haley in as offensive coordinator
Because they weren’t playing well in preseason. The problem, guys, was hiring Gailey in the first place.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:19 pmI believe if you were a Royals fan you’d be desensitized to that sort of thing by now PWHjort.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:31 pmI’d be beyond furious if I was a Royals fan in part because it’d mean I had some connection with Kansas City. But yeah, Moore sucks. I’m thrilled it was Wren who got the reins in Atlanta.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:31 pmWhy not bring up Heyward? Or would that start the infamous clock….seems like we could use a little more pop, and no shame in giving him the occasional OF start.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:40 pmAny chance we make a waiver deadline deal?
August 31st, 2009 at 2:41 pmThough I’m not responsible for this, I wouldn’t be embarrassed at all to take responsibility for bees swarming Scott Boras’ suite:
http://deadspin.com/5349578/plague-of-insects-descends-upon-scott-boras-angel-stadium-suite
I believe Borass is now due for the other nine plagues.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:51 pmApparently the ChiSox are planning on bringing up Tyler Flowers with expanded rosters (according to the guy from Talking Chop… on twitter… so it’s just like an official club announcement)
August 31st, 2009 at 2:59 pmMore misery for the Royals but good news for Braves castoffs. Maybe Norton will land in KC next year; Acosta would be also good match for Moore’s affinity for hard throwing mediocre relievers like Farnsworth.
August 31st, 2009 at 3:05 pmon mlbtr:
“The Toronto Sun notes that Mike Hampton won’t pitch again this year.”
The Toronto Sun of such other notable headlines as “Water found to be wet” and “Fire surprisingly not cold”
August 31st, 2009 at 3:07 pm#8 – couple of reasons. Chances are we wont make the playoffs anyways and there is no point starting his arb clock, biggest reason is that he’s hurt and shut down for the rest of the season
August 31st, 2009 at 3:08 pmConsidering that Heyward hasn’t started in over a week for the M-Braves I’d be very surprised if he was called up right now.
Sounds like they maybe resting his heel injury to get him ready for the Arizona fall league.
August 31st, 2009 at 3:10 pmonly 3.5 back we can still make it
August 31st, 2009 at 3:50 pm#8, 14, 15 Another reason not to bring up Heyward:
Heyward has been slumpling of late (.147 – 5 for 34 with only 2 extra base hits in has last 10 games)
This may have to do with his heel injury, but whatever the case, he doesn’t need a call up this year.
August 31st, 2009 at 3:55 pmA) we have to win our series against the fish.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:05 pmB) While I think we can expect the Phils to take at least one game from the Giants, I’m not sure we can count on the Mets helping us with even one win against the Rockies.
I hate the wild card.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:17 pmI’ll hate the wild card a lot less if we get it, and manage to get into the WS again.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:21 pm@20
That’s the sign of a weak will. The 2009 Braves no more deserve to call themselves “World Champions” than did the 1997 Marlins.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:27 pm#13,
Very funny.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:29 pmWho gets called up? Jojo Reyes, Gregor Blanco, Clint Sammons, and Diory Hernandez of course! Because you just can’t ever have enough AAAA players on your roster.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:30 pmWith his .217 avg and .616 OPS in AAA, I’m not sure you can consider Sammons AAAA.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:33 pmI’d rather they called up Alvin Colina, but he’s not on the 40-man. Give him Sammons’ spot — you think teams will be rushing to add him to their rosters?
August 31st, 2009 at 4:36 pmSammons is an emergency third catcher. Anyone shocked to see him called up shouldn’t be allowed to call themself a Braves fan.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:37 pmYeah the callups will be the usual pro(sus)pects. That’s all Bobby knows.
Blanco who can’t play, Jojo Reyes who can’t pitch, Sammons who can’t hit, and Hernandez that probably couldn’t have hit that LLWS pitching this weekend. Who is only surpassed in his ineptitude by Reid Gorecki, who I’m not convinced could hit good high school pitching.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:40 pmIt’s not like the upper reaches of the system are being manned by hordes of super-prospects. Dave Brundage should be the International League Manager of the Year for keeping that team in contention. Gorecki was his second-best player. Diory is his best.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:44 pmMy gosh, poor guy. I mean he is REALLY bad.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:46 pmOh, and the ace of the staff — since Hanson is in the majors and Morton was traded — is Jo-Jo.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:48 pmThe reason the expansion call-ups are so mediocre is because the first tier of call-ups are already in Atlanta playing for injured MLBers.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:52 pmi dont mind blanco, but calling up clint sammons when our backup cather gets 1 game every 2 weeks is dumb. barbaro should have been given an opportunity.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:56 pmOur minor league system has a lot of talent, and I don’t care if they’re not bringing up legitimate players in September. If they had a player who would be of use being brought up now, I’d be wondering why he wasn’t brought up sooner. Sure, it’d be nice if we were calling up Hanson or Prado or some other good, young player, but we didn’t have that kind of depth at the major league level.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:02 pmAgain, having Sammons around as the emergency catcher will make it possible for Ross to pinch-hit, which is a good thing.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:05 pmRoss in against a right hander. Surely we play enough left handers to be able to pick and choose when he plays to face them.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:08 pmBut, having Sammons around will force Bobby to use him in a much greater role than he should be given, which is a bad thing.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:12 pmHe barely uses Ross; why would he use Sammons?
August 31st, 2009 at 5:13 pmDiaz
Prado
Jones
Anderson
LaRoche
Escobar
Infante
Ross
Kawakami
so, garret anderson, cleanup. bobby smokes crack.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:15 pm32,
August 31st, 2009 at 5:19 pmThe point of calling up Sammons would be so you can actually use Ross to pinch-hit occasionally.
38,
August 31st, 2009 at 5:20 pmWhat can you say? ACHE back in his namesake role. All is good.
@34
which is why barbaro should have been called up. surely barbaro is a better hitter than ross. why not just use barbaro as a ph and leave ross for backup duties, instead of suffering through extra inning games with a catcher not worthy to wear a cup. whether its “customary” or not, in this playoff race, it doesnt make sense to have another player on the bench that has one skill: sucking.
scenario 1: 8th inning: tied 2-2, ross hits for gonzo, leaving clint sammons for extra inning duties.
scenario 2: 8th inning: tied 2-2, barbaro hits for gonzo, leaving david ross for extra inning duties.
i’ll take scenario 2 all day long. it provides a good bat to ph and a good bat as emergency catcher.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:20 pmI didn’t say Barbaro shouldn’t be called up. I just said it’s far from dumb to call up a third credible (defensive) catcher.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:23 pmHe doesn’t use Ross because making certain that he always has a catcher to put in the game. Now that he has three catchers he won’t be dissauded from putting one of his backup catchers in the game. Cox maintains the Little League philosophy of “everybody plays” regardless of ability so Sammons will play.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:24 pmScenario 3. Both Barbaro Canizares and David Ross are available for pinch-hitting duties with Sammons or Ross (provided you select Barbaro for pinch-hitting duties) left for extra-inning catching duties.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:25 pm#41, Ross is OPSing .848, for an OPS+ of 122.
Looks to me like he’s been underused so far.
Edit: My apologies, before you edited it it looked like you were saying Ross was not a good option.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:25 pmHopefully the team won’t be cheap and will call up six or so players, in addition to Hudson and McLouth.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:31 pmDid Barbaro show anything in his brief time with the big club to lead you to believe he’s anything more than a AAAAA player?
August 31st, 2009 at 5:32 pmMac,
Predictions on how you think Huddy will do tonight?
August 31st, 2009 at 5:32 pmI’m guessing he’ll take lots of notes for tomorrow’s start.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:33 pmGood point, LOL
August 31st, 2009 at 5:36 pm#38 – that’s not bad. Move GA to sixth and slide everybody up one would be my personal preference but that’s minor. The real problems is the talent level of the players on that lineup card – in whatever order – is not very high.
#43 – you are always good for a laugh. I doubt Sammons appears in even five games next month unless there is an extended amount of time between being officially eliminated and the end of the season.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:39 pmSammons has already appeared in three games. I think there’s a good shot that he’ll make two more.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:43 pmYeah I thought of that and went back and edited my posted to say “next month”. Not quickly enough I guess.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:45 pmIsn’t even one game or AB too important to give away to a player who’s only value to the team is September callup emergency backup catcher? It always bugs me when people act like one AB does not make a difference. A lot can happen in one AB. Maybe it decides a game and 1 game can most certainly be the difference between a playoff berth or lack thereof.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:07 pmhttp://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=4435804
Anyone want to take a chance on Dye?
August 31st, 2009 at 6:08 pmUsed to get the SS games in HD. No more. Instead, FSS has gone full-time in HD, even though their programs are all regular definition. So it’s regular TV for me. The horror!
August 31st, 2009 at 6:09 pmMSAE, a lot of ABs don’t matter. Those are the ones you give to the scrubs.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:10 pmYay, way to waste an out!
August 31st, 2009 at 6:13 pmIsn’t even one game or AB too important to give away to a player who’s only value to the team is September callup emergency backup catcher?
Um, no. Even you must understand the concept of leverage. If you see Sammons at the plate in a situation with any kind of leverage please let us know and we’ll all rip Bobby appropriately.
Letting him leadoff the top of the ninth with a 9-1 lead is probably ok.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:15 pmDye? Tempting, but no.
We simply must get younger (from the manager on down, if you ask me).
August 31st, 2009 at 6:15 pmI do like his curve.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:23 pmWe can reason from our previous observation of Cox that he will use poor players in high leverage situations. How many games has Norton ended at the plate this year? I do tend to discount the convential wisdom with respect to leverage in that I think that any situation where the score is close or a large number of runs could be scored or prevented to be just as important as the next regardless of the inning.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:23 pmhankonly, I tend to agree, but a 35 year old Jermaine Dye is better than any other OF we have. Which is sad.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:27 pmTurn your back, miss an inning. We’re not only going to lose, there’s a good chance we get no-hit.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:29 pmJohnson has killer stuff. Wow.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:30 pmTheir third-base coach is Cole Porter?
August 31st, 2009 at 6:31 pmKawakami loves to get in trouble and then wriggle out. We really need that here.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:32 pmI do tend to discount the convential wisdom with respect to leverage in that I think that any situation where the score is close or a large number of runs could be scored or prevented to be just as important as the next regardless of the inning.
I’m not sure what you were trying to say but this sentence, as written, is incoherent.
We can reason from our previous observation of Cox that he will use poor players in high leverage situations.
Again, please let us know if you spot Sammons pinch hitting down a run in the ninth.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:32 pmWRIGGLE!
August 31st, 2009 at 6:34 pmThe sooner KK goes to the pen the better. Unfortunately with his knack for getting in trouble in early innings, he may not be much help there either.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:36 pmconvential = conventional
The rest of it is perfectly clear.
NICE WRIGGLIN’!
August 31st, 2009 at 6:36 pmJoe really hates Yunel.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:39 pmNew poll.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:43 pmI voted for them being bad at it, but really it’s a chicken/egg thing.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:47 pmShame on you, David Ross!
I’m sure that the Marlins have to wonder what would have happened if Coghlan had started the year in left field.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:52 pmI’m guessing Grady Sizemore.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:57 pmWhat is the question?
August 31st, 2009 at 6:59 pmOdds on a no-hitter???
August 31st, 2009 at 7:01 pmPowell and Sutton are suitably impressed with Josh Johnson’s size.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:02 pmNOHITTERNOHITTERNOHITTERTHEMARLINSHAVEANOHITTERGOING.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:17 pmJust got home and turned on the game. Is Johnson dealing or are the Braves just hapless at the plate this evening? Also, is Bmac just getting a night off?
August 31st, 2009 at 7:24 pmYes on all three.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:25 pmJohnson always has good stuff, the offense is just pathetic. But hey at least they made him throw 60 pitches through five. By the tenth inning he’ll be gassed.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:27 pmThanks Mac. Robert that was pretty funny!
August 31st, 2009 at 7:28 pmMatty! The jinx worked!
August 31st, 2009 at 7:33 pmMan, he’s good!
August 31st, 2009 at 7:35 pmLeadoff hit by Chipper. Let’s get some runs.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:46 pmI dont see why it would be a bad thing to just assign Ross to a pitcher and let him go every 5th day, looks good with KK also.
KK said, I might as well throw lights out since being kicked from the rotation
August 31st, 2009 at 7:47 pmDid Chipper just “fist” that ball into left field!? Man I miss Chip!
August 31st, 2009 at 7:47 pmPettite perfect through 6
August 31st, 2009 at 7:48 pmIf Chip were on this game, I never would have had to jinx Johnson.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:48 pmWhy did someone just shout “Ryan Doumit!”?
August 31st, 2009 at 7:50 pmSchafer had surgery on his wrist today according to Boog, should be ready in the spring
August 31st, 2009 at 7:52 pmThat was sudden.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:53 pmInfante!
August 31st, 2009 at 7:53 pmYes!!
August 31st, 2009 at 7:53 pmWay to go Omar!!!
August 31st, 2009 at 7:54 pm\/\/()()7
August 31st, 2009 at 7:54 pmBah, Norton sighting!
August 31st, 2009 at 7:55 pmAnyone know Kawakami’s pitch count?
August 31st, 2009 at 7:55 pmWith Norton on deck, you have to walk Ross.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:56 pmKawakami was at 75. But his shoulder is iffy, and he fell apart at just about that point against the Padres.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:56 pmGuess not.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:56 pmGreetings from Delta Flight 1794…
Guess I flipped on MLB.tv just in time.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:59 pmI’d go ahead and get Moylan in the game now and save Norton’s
August 31st, 2009 at 7:59 pmbateye for later in the game.The Norton Virus.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:01 pmOn the other hand, Norton’s spot has now been cleared which will be a great boon to the people.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:01 pm@70–send KK to the pen if you like but I’ll take his one run in 6 IP
August 31st, 2009 at 8:03 pmWow. That’s my comment on every event in this game.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:03 pmI do believe that Greg Norton, 2009, is the worst Brave I’ve ever seen. And I’ve seen some bad ones. But he’s got Andres Thomas beat.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:05 pm106,
August 31st, 2009 at 8:05 pmAwesome.
Norton’s new nickname is the Virus, all agreed?
August 31st, 2009 at 8:06 pmand Infante has shown that he can play a decent CF, his triple off of Johnson also shows why Gorecki shouldnt ever start ahead of him again
August 31st, 2009 at 8:07 pmJust imagine how good the Marlins will be when their new, publically financed, stadium fixes everything and simultaneously revitalizes whatever god forsaken area of Miami where it will be located.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:07 pmWell, it’s the old Orange Bowl site, which is probably a toxic waste dump after all the UM games there.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:09 pmI was searching for Greg Norton’s loss probability added when I found this guy.
“He was expelled by the team on August 14 when he told the team he was going to a funeral, but instead went drinking.”
LOL, awesome.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:09 pmLangerhans 2007 performance is still worse than Norton’s
.068/.192/.091/.283 in 44 AB’s
compared to Norton’s
.135/.325/.169/.495 in 65 AB’s
August 31st, 2009 at 8:11 pmLangerhans was a good glove, and he played fewer games. Norton’s PA’s are mostly in high-leverage situations, too.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:15 pmHey, the Marlins fans are trash-talking ACHE! Yay, Marlins fans!
I’d hit Gorecki for ACHE when they bring in the lefty, but that’s probably too much to ask for.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:16 pmNah, Francoeur hurt the team way worse.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:17 pmAn OPS of .283 egads!!!
August 31st, 2009 at 8:18 pmI cannot believe that we traded away this Meyer guy, terrible terrible trade. Plus we included Charles Thomas
August 31st, 2009 at 8:19 pmNorton is slightly better than Joe Blanton, Ryan Dempster, John Lannan, Jorge de la Rosa, and Javy Vazquez against the fastball. Still, he’s no Chris Volstad, Chris Carpenter, Chad Billingsley, Doug Davis, or Cole Hamels.
But if you think about it, some of those guys are all-stars. Unrealistic to expect Norton to match up with those guys. Plus, several of them have pretty big contracts.
And of course Norton always pinch-hits against power guys, like Lidge. Wish that someone in the org would check that stat (way down from 08′s average performance vs. fastballs) and recommend that he be used against soft-tossing lefties (or righties, whichever side of the plate he used to be able to hit from).
August 31st, 2009 at 8:20 pmBTW, Gorecki is probably going to enter the game for defense now.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:21 pmBaker told Gload to cut it off, Joseph.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:22 pmCan we just have someone hit for him and have him re-enter like Little League?
August 31st, 2009 at 8:22 pmMaybe he means worst in terms of inability to play the game rather than overall negative effect on the team.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:23 pmFeeling a little loopy tonight, Adam?
August 31st, 2009 at 8:24 pmMillions of ADD sufferers are offended by that statement!!!1111
August 31st, 2009 at 8:25 pmSee, Gorecki in for ACHE. Why not against the lefty?
August 31st, 2009 at 8:26 pmanyone here Joe complaining about Uggla’s single earlier? He said he hated how Uggla put his head down while running to 1st. It was a decent single hit right at ACHE and there was also a runner in front of him. Joe is just a complainer
August 31st, 2009 at 8:26 pmGonzo working quicker and throwing more fastballs, not rocking much either. Looks pretty good
August 31st, 2009 at 8:28 pmLOL, just heard this call:
August 31st, 2009 at 8:29 pm“gliding over to get it is….Reid Gorecki”
“Soriano pitched the 9th because his arm is still attached.”
August 31st, 2009 at 8:35 pmSoriano with a 4-run lead. Sigh..,
August 31st, 2009 at 8:35 pmThis is a crucial four-game series. Save the closer for the close games for crying out loud.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:38 pmJust got a text from smitty’s hairdresser–Braves sniffing around on Mike Cameron b/c of McLouth’s hammy and the team’s general lack of RH hitting.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:43 pmDoes Mike Hampton own a functional body part?
August 31st, 2009 at 8:45 pm#137 – better do it today or apparently he wont be eligible for post season roster, wouldnt make sense to do it after today
August 31st, 2009 at 8:46 pmCox needs to bring someone else in to rack up a stat.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:47 pm139,
August 31st, 2009 at 8:49 pmI think because McLouth is on the DL the Braves can use any OF on the post-season roster.
Recapped.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:58 pmAfter last night, Bobby is in no mood of gambling. We need to sweep the Marlins.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:59 pmDid Sammons get called up?
August 31st, 2009 at 10:18 pm