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The AL East is all-powerful game thread: May 24, Jays at Braves

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  1. 1
    ryan c Says:

    brad lidge, after 2 great seasons, is melting down once again. he blew another one last night. what a wierd, yet delightful, turn of events. his era is now over 9.

  2. 2
    Ethan Says:

    I’m fine for sticking with Schafer. The kid doesn’t look lost up there. Seems more of a physical struggle to catch up with major league pitching. I have faith he’ll figure it out, and really, there is no one else. Blanco isn’t really good enough defensively to be more than a spot starter in center. Gorkys is too far away. It’s really too bad we didn’t get Cameron a few years ago. It would have allowed Schafer to spend this entire season in AAA. Perfect stopgap guy who is a legitimate glove/bat.

    Offense needs to get better. The players themselves aren’t going to do it. Ball’s in your court Wren…

    Oh, and I was trying to think of offensive players I would trade Tommy Hanson for. (Taking service time/salary/need into account) Ryan Braun is it so far…

  3. 3
    Stephen in the UAE Says:

    I don’t see the Braves trading Hanson, but it might be fun to speculate on what they could get for him at this point….I hope that they don’t trade Rohrbough as well….

  4. 4
    braves14 Says:

    Blanco isn’t really good enough defensively to be more than a spot starter in center

    I’m more concerned with the way pitchers are currently knocking the bat out of his hand in Triple A than I am with his defense.

  5. 5
    Chief Nocahoma Says:

    Blanco, Infante, Prado, B. Jones, Diaz et al, even being mentioned is a main reason why this team is in my opinion in the worst position. Middle of the pack.

    I’d rather be horrific and rebuild through some high drafts with FRANCHISE type players or GREAT, obviously.

    As is picking 16th isn’t going to help.

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    55 Says:

    You do know that the Blue Jays are 1-5 against NYY/BOS, right? And that the 1 was a Halladay start?

  7. 7
    braves14 Says:

    You’ve got about as much chance finding a franchise player picking 16th as you do picking 5th. The MLB draft is more of a crapshoot than the NFL or NBA draft.

    In other words, tearing down the team wouldn’t accomplish much other than taking us even farther away from being good. Also, prospects you’d get in a trade might let us get as good in 4 years as we are right now.

  8. 8
    PWHjort Says:

    NL K/BB Leaders minimum 40 innings pitched
    1. Dan Haren – 7.00
    2. Johan Santana – 5.36
    3. Javier Vazquez – 5.21
    4. Tim Lincecum – 4.47
    5. Josh Johnson – 4.00

    Nobody else above 4.00

    NL K/9 Leaders minimum 40 innings pitched
    1. Tim Lincecum – 11.93
    2. Javier Vazquez – 11.26
    3. Johan Santana – 11.25
    4. Rich Harden – 10.92
    5. Jake Peavy 10.56

    Nobody else above 10.00

    NL Strikeout Leaders
    1. Jake Peavy – 79
    2. Tim Lincecum – 76
    3. Johan Santana – 75
    4. Javier Vazquez – 73

    Nobody else above 70

  9. 9
    Stephen in the UAE Says:

    Its a bit more predictable than a crapshoot…

    I believe that we are picking #7 and not #16. I might add that the Braves were able to pick Heyward with the #14 pick in 2007.

  10. 10
    braves14 Says:

    Not much.

  11. 11
    sdp Says:

    I would DEFINITELY trade Hanson for the Hebrew Hammer.

  12. 12
    Mac Thomason Says:

    The higher you draft, the better chance you have of finding a superstar, a star, a good player, a regular… Whatever your definition of success. However, the chances are not that much greater. I am of the opinion that the better your team is the easier it is to turn it into a champion, so by definition the team picking 15th is more likely to become a winner than the team picking 1st. How many high picks have the Pirates had the last fifteen years?

  13. 13
    braves14 Says:

    Same lineup as yesterday

    Johnson, 2B
    Kotchman, 1B
    Anderson, G, LF
    McCann, C
    Prado, 3B
    Francoeur, RF
    Hernandez, D, SS
    Schafer, CF
    Jurrjens, P

  14. 14
    braves14 Says:

    “I get really excited whenever Jair gets ready to toe the rubber!”
    -Joe Simpson

    Probably could have used a better choice of words, there.

  15. 15
    Tony Says:

    Chipper…geez.

    “Jones ran in the outfield before batting practice Sunday and said he was not able to start for the third straight game. He hurt his right big toe while running to first base Thursday night.

    “Hitting is not the problem, it’s running,” Jones said, adding he has no side-to-side mobility.

    And how much and how long did they sign this great singles hitter for again?

  16. 16
    braves14 Says:

    KJ! There’s your team leader in homers.

  17. 17
    Stephen in the UAE Says:

    Mac–The problem is that the Pirates can have high picks–but then choose not to pick the best players because they do not believe that they can afford to sign them.

    For example, in 2002 the Pirates drafted Brian Bullington–even though he was nowhere close to the being the best player in the draft.

    I might add that even a brief assessment of draft history reveals that it is not a bad predictor of success. Over the last 10 years, the first 10 players are much more likely to be successful than the next 10, who are more likely to be successful than the next 10. In addition, the same holds true of rounds–2nd round players are more likely to make an impact on their organization than 3rd rounders. By the time you reach the 5th or 6th rounds it really does become a crapshoot.

    For all the abuse that gets hurled at the Braves’ front office on this site (and others, it has to be said that the organization has been brilliant with its lower round picks….

  18. 18
    braves14 Says:

    McCann!

  19. 19
    Weldon Says:

    But Chief is just wrong. Were the Cardinals the best team in 2006? That team wasn’t much better than the one we have this year. And weren’t the Braves the best team for a good chunk of the streak? If you can make it to the trade deadline over .500 and the rest of your division is struggling, you have to give it a try and hope you get hot at the right time.

    edit: As long as giving it your best try doesn’t involve a Tex-type trade.

  20. 20
    Mac Thomason Says:

    I have never seen anyone so uninterested in making plays as Garret Anderson.

  21. 21
    Timo Says:

    wtf is anderson jogging around for in the outfield. he’s a joke!!

  22. 22
    stupup74 Says:

    Mac (and Group),

    I think the top picks in the draft, epecially who wait and demand all this money, are almost set up for failure. They get all this money and kind of start with a strike against them, (expectations, wrath of the fans, possible jealousy of future teammates, etc.). It takes a special type of guy (Chipper, Mauer) to handle it. Also team economics have alot to do with success and failure as mentioned above. If the team a pick goes to does not invest much in the farm system and rush guys are obviously not going to have as good a chance.

    I think the draft and how guys fare is facinating.

  23. 23
    Tony Says:

    You mean to tell me Brandon Jones cannot do better than Garrett Anderson?

    Jurrens needs to get the ball down….thanks

  24. 24
    Stephen in the UAE Says:

    Great start–lets get a sweep…We have gone from 30 HRs to 32 HRs in one inning….

  25. 25
    Mac Thomason Says:

    To be fair, he’s disinterested at the plate, too. In his first PA, the only time he showed any life at all was when he got out of the way of a pitch, and of course he took a called strike three.

  26. 26
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Yes, Joe, it’s much better to face Tim Lincecum than Barry Zito.

  27. 27
    sdp Says:

    Anderson is clearly on the field just to collect his paycheck.

    If you’ve lost interest in the game, admit it and be a man. Nobody will fault you but we would like you to GTFO our field if that’s the case.

  28. 28
    stupup74 Says:

    I found a silver lining about Franceour……he is not making Vernon Wells type money. Wells’ stat line is not that much more impressive than Franceour’s.

    I’m sure everyone is going to have fun with that one.

  29. 29
    sansho1 Says:

    I called him Uninterested Man at the ballpark last week. It’s the crappiest of all superpowers.

    Gotta love how Boog and Joe discuss the general baseball issues of the day during Francoeur and Schafer ABs….

  30. 30
    Mac Thomason Says:

    He’s not making that much less than Wells. Wells is making $4,687,500 this season. Jeffy makes $3,375,000.

  31. 31
    Tony Says:

    Schaffer…

  32. 32
    Dan Says:

    Anderson is someone who is still batting third and fourth in the lineup. He is not going anywhere anytime soon.

  33. 33
    sansho1 Says:

    No. Schafer.

  34. 34
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Actually, Garret Anderson doesn’t really care what he listens to, he just goes with the flow of whatever’s on. Last month, he wound up listening to the same Mandy Moore song for three days in a row, because it was too much effort to turn off the “replay” button.

  35. 35
    Tony Says:

    Wow…Question of the day: Which Atlanta Braves player likes to listen to R & B? Hmmm that’s was hard one. Let’s try the only African-American only the team. Too funny.

  36. 36
    sansho1 Says:

    Incidentally, the Verizon music question today was what player enjoys listening to “rhythm and blues”. I got the answer correct by rephrasing the question thusly:

    What Braves player is so uninterested in participating in the Verizon music question that he could not be bothered to provide the name of any particular artist?

  37. 37
    sansho1 Says:

    OK we’re all on it.

  38. 38
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Was that trivia question phrased right? I can’t think of any Braves infielder who won five gold gloves, consecutively or not. Dale Murphy won five in a row.

  39. 39
    sansho1 Says:

    El Gato Grande? I thought it was just “consecutive Gold Gloves”, as in two, but I wasn’t paying close attention.

    Edit: Whoops, forgot Galarraga didn’t play consecutive seasons for us.

  40. 40
    Mike N. Says:

    It was just 2 consecutive, I think. Not 5.

  41. 41
    sansho1 Says:

    Oh wait. Gotta be TP, doesn’t it?

  42. 42
    Weldon Says:

    I think the trivia question was just for consecutive gold gloves, not necessarily five. The Rolen thing was just an excuse to use the question.

    edit: Took too long to type that. Well, how about McCann bunting against that shift yesterday? Gotta love that guy.

  43. 43
    Mac Thomason Says:

    From what I can tell, even two consecutive hasn’t happened.

  44. 44
    Mac Thomason Says:

    It was Atlanta Braves, right? Del Crandall won three GGs at catcher (if you consider catchers “infielders”) but they were in Milwaukee.

  45. 45
    Mac Thomason Says:

    You suck, Jeff.

  46. 46
    Bethany Says:

    Francoeur makes me hate my life.

  47. 47
    Timo Says:

    UGH Jeff….

  48. 48
    sansho1 Says:

    Boog is asking why teams don’t overshift on right-handed pull hitters. I think the answer is you can’t leave your 1B on that much of an island, because he has to cover the base.

  49. 49
    Hate King Says:

    Great at bat, Jeff.

  50. 50
    Timo Says:

    oh man. oh man. oh man!

  51. 51
    Hate King Says:

    I think Chipper’s face just said it all while Jeff was getting his glove and hat ready for the field.

  52. 52
    RobBroad4th Says:

    Maybe it’s just me, but this Francoeur fella is not doing well…

  53. 53
    stupup74 Says:

    Mac,

    I was going off the total Dollar value of the Wells’ deal. That number surprises me. It kind of ruins the joke come to think of it.

  54. 54
    Chief Nocahoma Says:

    God this offense is hopeless.

  55. 55
    Tony Says:

    Getting a little nervous with Jurrens ball being up in the zone…

  56. 56
    Timo Says:

    That’s the beauty with JJ. Even when he doesn’t have his best stuff like tonight, he is usually able to control the damage.

  57. 57
    Chief Nocahoma Says:

    There is ONE legitimate major league ball player in today’s lineup. ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    God we are sad.

  58. 58
    Tony Says:

    95??? Wow…didn’t JJ threw that hard.

  59. 59
    sansho1 Says:

    @57

    Would it make you feel better if I told you that wasn’t true?

  60. 60
    RobBroad4th Says:

    95 again. Wow.

  61. 61
    Timo Says:

    Come on, JJ!!

  62. 62
    Chief Nocahoma Says:

    You saying we do doesn’t make it true.. McCann and Jurrjens is IT. Period. KJ is just a guy and Kotchman is Cap Anson without period costume.

    And what I mean is a player that the division leaders would use as a regular. Sure, they’re all with the exception of Schaefer, probably at least legit AAAA players, but DAMN. We just don’t have many guys that the Yankees, Red Sox, even Mets or Phillies of the world would use.

  63. 63
    RobBroad4th Says:

    Uh oh….

  64. 64
    Dan Says:

    Did they even answer their trivia question about the gold gloves?

  65. 65
    Timo Says:

    “jeff bennett is beginning to warm up” game over.

  66. 66
    Timo Says:

    “jeff bennett is beginning to warm up”

  67. 67
    c. shorter Says:

    anderson beat out a throw?

  68. 68
    Hate King Says:

    Anderson is slow.

  69. 69
    Tom Says:

    Bring Soriano in. Now!

  70. 70
    stupup74 Says:

    WOW, Bobby is actually going to pull O’Flarety for Bennett. That is stupid, and if you saw the look on O’Flarety’s face, he knows it too.

  71. 71
    Hate King Says:

    Jeff Bennett will be biting his glove in agony in a few seconds.

  72. 72
    Hate King Says:

    I am shocked.

  73. 73
    c. shorter Says:

    I’m shocked as well.

  74. 74
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    If Chipper is available to PH, now would be good.

  75. 75
    cliff Says:

    Spike, you called it.

  76. 76
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    Hey, how about that?

  77. 77
    c. shorter Says:

    nice.

  78. 78
    RJ in KS Says:

    I believe Chipper made fairly solid contact on that.

  79. 79
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Chipper for player-manager. If you have to run for him, Bobby, use Medlen. Also, how did Hernandez not score?

  80. 80
    c. shorter Says:

    I think it’s safe to say that Kelly is heating up.

  81. 81
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Good KJ is officially back in residence.

  82. 82
    Hanan Says:

    Kelly is hot again, which is nice.

  83. 83
    Tony Says:

    Ok…KJ prayerfully is on a hot streak.

  84. 84
    MaverickJb Says:

    KJ!!!!

  85. 85
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    Johnson Hot Streak sighting??

  86. 86
    cliff Says:

    What does it say when you are a number 3 lefthanded hitter and they walk the number 2 lefthanded hitter intentionally (even with a “base open”)?

  87. 87
    Ethan Says:

    Hells yeah.

  88. 88
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Excellent work by ACHE there. They’ll give him congratulations and he doesn’t have to do any of that tiring running.

  89. 89
    Weldon Says:

    Mac, Hernandez didn’t score because it was an infield hit.

  90. 90
    Mac Thomason Says:

    It was not an infield hit. It wound up in right field and Rios botched fielding it.

  91. 91
    Dan Says:

    Seems Kelly Johnson needed Omar Infante taken out.

  92. 92
    Ethan Says:

    Catching up to the high fastball and smoking it is such a kick a$$ feeling.

    Awesome, KJ

  93. 93
    c. shorter Says:

    Pimpbot…

  94. 94
    Mike N. Says:

    Pffffft, who said this team has no power?

  95. 95
    Dan Says:

    Player of the game: Kelly Johnson or Brian McCann?

  96. 96
    Tony Says:

    McCANN…

  97. 97
    Stephen in the UAE Says:

    McCann the Man!!

  98. 98
    urlhix Says:

    This is more like it.

  99. 99
    MaverickJb Says:

    B MAC!!!!!!!

  100. 100
    Catz Says:

    I’m actually feeling good about this team now. Which is a sure sign they’ll lose the next 3 or 4 games in a row

  101. 101
    cliff Says:

    Bobby,

    PLEASE let somebody mop up. No Soriano, No Gonzalez.

    Teacher, leave those kids alone.

  102. 102
    Remy Says:

    Remind me again what ACHE stands for? Couldn’t find it in the glossary. Thanks.

  103. 103
    Tony Says:

    “Seems Kelly Johnson needed Omar Infante taken out.”

    I was thinking the same thing….

  104. 104
    Hanan Says:

    Wow…3 bombs today…seems like about 10!

    Mac is the man.

  105. 105
    cliff Says:

    Anderson, Cleanup Hitter Extraordinaire.

  106. 106
    Weldon Says:

    Well, it was an infield hit in the sense that it was mostly stopped by the first baseman and Hernandez didn’t want to get doubled up off second…unlike a certain number 7.

    Speaking of which, Frenchy did put a good swing on the ball to start the inning. He’s still worthless, though. His performance in the 4th was unforgivable.

  107. 107
    spike (back in the ATL) Says:

    Frasor’s ERA just went up 2.2 runs.

  108. 108
    Hate King Says:

    Gotta love McCann.

  109. 109
    cliff Says:

    This offense is really a lot better with McCann. Not like a little better. Like REALLY a lot better.

  110. 110
    Mac Thomason Says:

    …And Soriano pitches. Isn’t this an ideal Acosta situation?

  111. 111
    sdp Says:

    BRAD LIDGE just blew another save.

  112. 112
    bandit31312 Says:

    I would say send in he reserves but there already in there

  113. 113
    Timo Says:

    NYY tying the Phillies in the 9th… again!

  114. 114
    cliff Says:

    By the way, following up on eye stuff, I ran into my doctor the other day. He had heard gossip in the circles of doctors that Mark Lemke had been affected by a bad result from Lasik.

    He ran into Lemke and Lemke told him the story. Said as he was nearing the end of his career he decided to try lasik to see if he could improve vision and make it work. However, he had worse vision after (at least worse “corrected visions”) and that was it.

  115. 115
    sdp Says:

    Soriano was already warmed up.

  116. 116
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Who do you think replaces Lidge as the closer? Condrey? Madson?

  117. 117
    cliff Says:

    Mac,

    I was forgetting we just brought up Acosta. however, it certainly should have been Acosta UNLESS Soriano had already warmed up during the inning with them thinking it might be tied or certainly wouldn’t likely turn into a blow out.

    Maybe Bobby will give Acosta the 9th.

  118. 118
    sansho1 Says:

    I love watching Soriano pitch. What a great pitching motion he has.

  119. 119
    Hate King Says:

    Is Acosta up with the team?

  120. 120
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Weldon, the ball was more or less sitting there in right field, and with the force in play (unlike Francoeur last night) Hernandez had to be running. Fortunately, it didn’t matter, but this team has a whole lot of situations where runners don’t score from second on singles and first on doubles, and that concerns me a lot more than the stolen base totals, or lack thereof.

    Acosta was called up to replace Parr after Klinger couldn’t bail out Medlen.

  121. 121
    Hate King Says:

    Ok. Who did they send down to bring up Acosta?

  122. 122
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Jeffy looked like a pitcher there. Seriously, like a pitcher who has a seven-run lead and doesn’t want to risk hurting himself running the bases.

  123. 123
    drewdat Says:

    Parr went down for Acosta since he threw 90 pitches in that game.

    Jeff just struck out on a 4×4, 4 feet outside and bounced 4 feet in front of the plate.

  124. 124
    sansho1 Says:

    Diory Hernandez just made Francoeur look silly by comparison.

  125. 125
    Ethan Says:

    Some fan just won $11,000+ because the Braves scored 7 in the 7th.

    I’m agreeing with Catz @100 right now. I also agree that this is a very bad thing considering June is coming up

  126. 126
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Or there. Hernandez should have been at second base when the ball dropped, and should have scored. Instead, he ran about halfway to second. There is no way you get doubled up on that play unless you fall down or forget to touch second running back.

  127. 127
    Hate King Says:

    Amazing at bat, Jeff.

  128. 128
    Timo Says:

    Double digits, baby!

  129. 129
    Hanan Says:

    Everyone had to hold up with the line drive off Overbay’s glove. Maybe he was shocked he dropped it, because he’s caught damn near everything else this weekend. Even so, it is best they were conservative there, and no sense running out of an inning with hot KJ due up.

  130. 130
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Why this is an Acosta situation. I think there’s certain value in a guy who’s really good as long as the game’s not on the line. We’ve certainly had situations this year where the game wasn’t on the line until it was.

  131. 131
    Mac Thomason Says:

    And there we see why Hernandez isn’t a real prospect…

  132. 132
    Hate King Says:

    Interesting stats. Good find, Mac.

  133. 133
    Hate King Says:

    Someone on the team should get Hernandez’s firt error ball to go with his first hit ball.

  134. 134
    Hate King Says:

    Does anyone else hate this 10 sprinkles commercial, and every other Verizon commercial for that matter?

  135. 135
    cliff Says:

    Gameday says Acosta really let it rip. He hit 97 a couple of times with Wells. Nobody else in the last few innings got over about 92.

  136. 136
    sansho1 Says:

    Unfortunately, those two 97s were a foot outside, and Acosta was peeking at the posted MPH after both. I guess they “set up” the breaking ball for strike three, though.

  137. 137
    MaverickJb Says:

    Yeah Acosta Did hit 97 he kept looking up at the scoreboard

  138. 138
    drewdat Says:

    Yep. I don’t want to be held accountable for whatever happens if I have a chance encounter with black-frame glasses dude. Basically a blood feud.

  139. 139
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Not as much as the imprisoning fireflies commercial, or the bank that doesn’t know the difference between an adjective and an adverb.

  140. 140
    sdp Says:

    @134: Would you like whipped cream?

  141. 141
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Recap is up.

  142. 142
    Hate King Says:

    Who doesn’t want whipped cream?

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