01 Jun
Something even more depressing that the Braves game thread: Braves at Reds, June 1
I don’t think we can take a June Swoon this year. Anyway, this video is Ububba’s fault.
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I don’t think we can take a June Swoon this year. Anyway, this video is Ububba’s fault.
ex-braves represented well last night.
June 1st, 2008 at 8:32 amhttp://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2008_05_31_clemlb_kcamlb_1&mode=wrap#boxscore
double post:
June 1st, 2008 at 8:37 amdid anyone see where pena has already been dfa’d by kansas city? what’s the purpose? i really dont understand baseball transactions sometimes. it says they have “long term plans” with him and hope he passes through waivers without being grabbed by another team. i guess that is supposed to answer my question.
You drew me out of the woodwork with this video Mac – waaay out of your wheelhouse! Sometimes the most depressing songs are uplifting, at least to me anyway. This is one of the greatest of all time.
June 1st, 2008 at 9:20 amThey’re hoping to get him through waivers and assign him to AAA.
June 1st, 2008 at 9:26 amI’ll be at Great American today in Braves gear. Hope I get to see an Atlanta win.
June 1st, 2008 at 9:39 amWhich Pena?
June 1st, 2008 at 10:17 amBrayan. And they replaced his spot on the roster by calling up Davies.
June 1st, 2008 at 10:21 amHuh, weird. I guess by claiming him with their advantageous waiver postition, they blocked other teams from claiming him — but because they claimed him, he remained out of options, so he’d have had to go to KC.
But by DFAing him again, they expose him to the other teams anyway. I guess the advantage gained is in not seeing him go unclaimed in the first place, so that he’d have been free to negotiate a minor league contract with anyone.
But that “anyone” would have included the Royals in the first place…hmmm…this seems like one of those gentlemen’s agreements among GMs where Dayton Moore puts up a flag saying the Royals want him, and everyone else just says okay. It’ll be interesting to see if he gets claimed again.
June 1st, 2008 at 10:33 amThey got rid of Tony Pena not Bryan Pena.
June 1st, 2008 at 10:56 amKC Star
June 1st, 2008 at 11:06 amSorry maybe the Braves will claim him off waivers and then they can rid of Corky. Yeah right.
June 1st, 2008 at 11:10 amAre there any other theories about this chain of events? Because otherwise it strikes me as very minor but very real collusion (if he goes unclaimed).
June 1st, 2008 at 11:13 amHow is it collusion? They want him, just not on their ML roster. They had a ML roster spot to play around with, so they made the move. If someone else wants him on their ML roster, they can just claim him now.
June 1st, 2008 at 11:20 amIf someone else wants him on their ML roster, they can just claim him now.
Right — as I said, it would only have a whiff of collusion if nobody claims him.
They want him, just not on their ML roster. They had a ML roster spot to play around with, so they made the move.
See, that’s just it. Limited options is based on the notion that a player has earned the right, after a particular amount of time, to force his employer to “fish or cut bait” — he can’t be jerked around interminably between the minors and the majors. The Braves, in DFAing him, cut bait.
At this point, Pena had the opportunity to secure a major league job with any team that chose to claim him — in this case, the Kansas City Royals. The waiver claim is supposed to mean he has a major league job and salary. Claiming him and then waiving him a day later, while saying you still want him, seems to me a subversion of the intent of the rule.
If the intent was to offer him a minor league position in the first place, then let him pass through waivers and sign him afterwards — Pena having lost the use of his option clock, but at least having been given a fair shot at the open market. By waiving him now, they are saying they’re willing to risk that he won’t be claimed.
But they obviously weren’t willing to risk it the first time around. In the absence of any other variables, I’m left with the assumption that there’s less risk of the Royals losing him this time. That’s evidence of a manipulated market — hence, collusion.
June 1st, 2008 at 12:05 pmtimmy really dropping it down today. he’s almost throwing sidearm.
June 1st, 2008 at 12:33 pmGoddammit, we’re screwing with the uniforms again. I am officially predicting that we are not gonna come out of this slump until we realize that the uniform makes ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE!!! Superstition is for no-talented losers. Real players make their own luck.
June 1st, 2008 at 12:37 pmreds helping us out…0 out 1 runner on, 2-1 count and timmy’s not throwing strikes, so what do you do? steal second.
June 1st, 2008 at 12:46 pmyeah…can’t have Votto clogging up those bases now can we
June 1st, 2008 at 12:48 pmDriving home about 30 min ago Lemke starts blathering about Dusty Baker being a good manager for young players. His reputation is otherwise–just ask Kerry Wood’s and Mark Prior’s arms. Maybe the rep is unfair but what planet does Lemke inhabit?
June 1st, 2008 at 12:51 pmBraves need to stop hitting the ball hard against this guy; it’s clearly not working.
June 1st, 2008 at 12:55 pmHoly crap!!!
June 1st, 2008 at 12:59 pmNORTON
June 1st, 2008 at 12:59 pm“Superstition is for no-talented losers.”
So pretty much all baseball players are “losers.”
June 1st, 2008 at 1:01 pmI’m really starting to hate that kid. Couldn’t he have his Magical Start against someone else?
June 1st, 2008 at 1:02 pmwell this sucks!!!!
June 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pmwhen did the reds lineup become dangerous?
June 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pmCorrect. The uniform absolutely makes no difference.
And if Phillips had hustled out of the box instead of worshipping his fly ball that bounced on the warning track, he’d have made 3rd. Thanks, Brandon.
Gotta get some balls to fall in. Gotta get Huddy to settle here or this is one’s going to become another downer. How many videos does Joy Division have?
June 1st, 2008 at 1:10 pmThis game feels like it’s already over.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:13 pm#26
When Hairston and Bruce got called up.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:15 pmI think it would be the perfect ending to this road trip for some miscellaneous pitcher to throw a perfect game at us, don’t you?
June 1st, 2008 at 1:19 pm#30
And it’s the last time the Braves will play the Reds this year, so why not?
June 1st, 2008 at 1:20 pmCueto is a nice young arm who actually garnered more praise out of the box than did Volquez. The Reds are stacked with young hurlers… frankly, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, I’m jealous.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:20 pmIf Cueto does end up perfect, it’ll be the worst perfect game ever thrown. Half the balls hit today have been drilled, and he’s only got one K thus far. (Though Frenchy is up now, so stay tuned on that issue…)
June 1st, 2008 at 1:22 pmAnd who would ever think Frenchy would break up a perfect game with a walk?
June 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pmMets have Santana going tonight. We lose, they win, we’re tied.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pmPerfect game ruined by a Francoeur walk of all things.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pmthis sucks!!!!
June 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pmWhat a way to lose a perfecto….
June 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pmA walk!!!!
June 1st, 2008 at 1:25 pmHe made a big mistake throwing that 3-2 pitch to Francoeur in the right handed batters’ box instead of the left handed one.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:27 pmI sure love how Dusty ran himself out of that inning.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pmIt would probably be a fitting end to the road trip if we were to get no-hit here.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:38 pmWhat do you know? A bunt single!
June 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pmnice job “should be leadoff” Blanco!
June 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pmBunt single to break up the no-no?
June 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pmFollowed by yet another bunt attempt. In other words, Death by a Thousand Cuts.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pmfrom perfect to no-no to a runner in scoring position?
June 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pmDusty is going to go crazy after the game. “HOW DARE YOU VIOLATE THE UNWRITTEN RULES OF THE GAME BY BUNTING FOR A HIT IN A NO-HIT BID! YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!”
June 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pmAnd Yunel continues to flounder in the leadoff spot.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pmEntering the game, Yunel batting leadoff:
.253 .305 .307
Yunel batting second:
.328 .401 .450
June 1st, 2008 at 1:43 pmEscobar looks like 2006 Francoeur now.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:43 pmI think Yunel’s something like 1 for 13 in the series.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:43 pmwhy not move blanco to the leadoff, yunel to the 2 hole and kj to the 6 or 7 hole?
June 1st, 2008 at 1:51 pmcueto…. jesus!!
June 1st, 2008 at 1:53 pmAlright, Tex. There’s one.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:53 pmI’m not really sure how he kept that fair.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:53 pmtex!
June 1st, 2008 at 1:53 pmTEX
June 1st, 2008 at 1:53 pmOK, now we’re getting to him.
B-Mac!
June 1st, 2008 at 1:54 pmI hate to say it, but: one run game.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:55 pmNothing better than a game of Home Run Derby on a Sunday afternoon. Go Braves!
June 1st, 2008 at 1:55 pmCome on!!!
June 1st, 2008 at 1:55 pmcome on frenchy
June 1st, 2008 at 1:55 pmone run game now… were doomed
June 1st, 2008 at 1:55 pmwhat WHAT!
June 1st, 2008 at 1:55 pmNice power, Frenchy.
We gotta tie it here.
June 1st, 2008 at 1:56 pmWhat was up with MLB.tv’s graphic of McCann’s 20th double of the season?
June 1st, 2008 at 1:56 pmnice, way to go frenchy…..too bad Norton is up…
June 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pmfrenchy is faster with his socks up
June 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pmjoelk,
June 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pmThat was from the Cincy TV feed. Some graphics guy has his head up his bum.
Well, that doesn’t look good.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:09 pmWell, that’s not good.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:09 pmStockman or Carlyle absolutely needs to pitch some innings in this game. Everyone else is pretty tired at this point, and I think Acosta should be off-limits today.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:10 pmwhat happened? I am following the game on the internet and not sure what happened?
June 1st, 2008 at 2:11 pmI wonder who it will be to go when Smoltz gets activated.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:11 pmya – same here – no pitches since EEncarnacion single
June 1st, 2008 at 2:11 pmHudson left with something wrong with his hamstring.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pmHudson had to leave the game after what looked like a tweak of his calf or hamstring.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pmThat is not good
June 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pmIt didn’t look serious, FWIW.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pmThis is even worse than annyoing 1 run losses.
DAMNIT!!!!!!!
Please don’t let this be longterm sigh
June 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pmboyer in… next inning bennet then acosta… right?
June 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pmRare misplay by Escobar.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pmOr Boyer, either way. ^_^
June 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pmHairston is so annyoing
June 1st, 2008 at 2:18 pmThe Braves threw that momentum away quickly.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:19 pmBallgame.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:19 pmthis blows.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pmThis team just sucks.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pmI really don’t like Bruce.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pmThese announcers are idiots.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:22 pmI’d get Boyer out of there right now!!
June 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pmNow Boyer’s hurt.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pmthis is almost funny.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pmWell, Bobby finally broke his favorite toy.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pmholy crap, what next, we score two and lose 5-4?
June 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pmand, there goes 1.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pmThis is unbelievable but so expected. Mac: Your turn!
June 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pmelbow.
this is just unreal. how bad can we run?????
June 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pmFor the record, I don’t think his overuse has much to do with his foot slipping.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pmI don’t think it was his elbow. If it was, it was because his foot slipped.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pmNice of Brian to attempt to block that.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pmpffffffff…. gnight
June 1st, 2008 at 2:29 pmwhat the hell… come votto.. give me a hommer for my fantasy team
June 1st, 2008 at 2:31 pmPeanut says Hudson had a cramp.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:33 pmJon says it was a strained hamstring.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:36 pmWell, TV just said he has a strained hamstring.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:37 pmEscobar needs to move out of the leadoff spot right now.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:40 pmAm I the only one who’s getting really sick of Joe’s crusade against maple bats. OK, maybe something needs to be done, we get it. It isn’t gonna happen until the end of the season, so can we not mention it every single time a bat breaks?
June 1st, 2008 at 2:41 pmI’ve turned off Jeff Brantley. Turned on the Bad Brains.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:43 pmSimpson: they [the Reds] looked flat in Atlanta
Yeah, sort of like the Braves look in Cincy.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:48 pmMan this team is really bad….
June 1st, 2008 at 2:50 pmIt was Boyer’s knee. They haven’t said specifically what it is yet, just that it’s an injured knee and that he’s being evaluated.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pmSay what you want about Dusty…but Bruce came up and Dusty stuck him right in the two hole. He may not be good with pitchers, but young hitters love him.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pmI don’t know how you can say this team is really bad or this team sucks. It’s pretty obvious that it doesn’t, that’s what’s so frustrating about it. If this team were actually bad, I’m pretty sure we all could have accepted it by now.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:53 pmNick…accept it. They’ve been .500 for over 2 years. Ain’t going to change with this group os guys.
June 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm*of
June 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pmAccording to MLB Gameday, Burton has thrown nothing but sliders… That can’t possibly be accurate can it?
June 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pmWe follow an 8-3 homestand with a 1-5 road trip.
Again, I’ll intone the late Ian Curtis, who once moaned, “Where will it end?”
June 1st, 2008 at 3:00 pmFirst of all, there’s a difference between mediocre and bad. Secondly, when pretty much every single meaningful statistic has us near the top of the league, I don’t think you can say that we’re bad. Ridiculously underperforming, but not bad. You can call it whatever you want, but there’s a difference.
June 1st, 2008 at 3:00 pmI can’t believe that this team is only 3 games out. They suck. Even Chipper is starting to get tired of carrying the team. How many more people are going to get hurt, banged up, twinged, etc.? We will be lucky to go 81-81.
June 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pmThis is stupid.
June 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pmThe worse record in the majors on the road and one-run games does not indicate a strong team to me. But with that being said McCann, KJ, Escobar and Francouer are still so young. I think we forget sometimes. Look at Philly, their core ages: Rollins is 30 y/o, Howard, 29, Utley is 30. Even the rookie catcher for the Cubs is older than Francouer.
June 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pmI’d rather lead the division than the stats. Yes, the pieces are there to be good, but for whatever reason, this particular group of guys has not shown the ability to sustain winning streaks long enough to win anything.
June 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pmIf Hudson heads to the DL, will we see Morton?
June 1st, 2008 at 3:03 pmRecap up in record speed because I had no doubt that the game was over entering the ninth.
June 1st, 2008 at 3:03 pmI don’t like the Reds
June 1st, 2008 at 3:04 pmI agree Chipper is probably tired,,,,
June 1st, 2008 at 3:06 pm