There once was a manager named Willie,
Who drove all the tabloid writers silly.
But what’s really funny
Is that with all their money
The Mets finished after Atlanta and Philly.
There once was a team whose home looked scary,
At times all their fans could do was chant ‘Larry’.
One year they saw the NL prize within their grasp
Then they choked and lost; all laughed at their memorable collapse.
GO BRAVES!
Remy
on May 20, 2008 at 9:45 am
Best limerick I’ve heard in a long time, and I know a few old men from Perú.
There once was a time I remember
Twin billings were a shine and a glimmer
But now it’s bitch
To go see the first pitch
Cuz you know you have to leave and re-enter.
They used to be on tv each day
we could all watch the Braves and not pay
and now Richmond they’re leaving
I think I’m still grieving
At least were not going 0-fer-May
c. shorter
on May 20, 2008 at 10:08 am
NL East crown is there to be had
But we cannot beat teams that are bad
Then Smoltz hurts his shoulder
Cox bunts everyone over
When Frenchy and Teix hit we’ll be glad
Our Pythag record’s night and day
With more .500 on the way
And all because of our 1B —
The SOB who LOB —
Send Tex to Triple-A!
Brian J.
on May 20, 2008 at 10:43 am
Lose by one run and win by a bunch
That’s the way each Brave fan loses lunch
Our shortstop is fine
And third baseman divine
But our first baseman needs such a punch
mraver
on May 20, 2008 at 10:43 am
Though past seasons have been full of strife,
I’m a Braves fan and will be for life.
So let’s root for Chipper,
Hope he hits a round-tripper,
And beats the Mets like he once beat his opponents, the Cleveland Indians in the 1995 World Series.
MGL
on May 20, 2008 at 11:12 am
The host started off with a limrick
Others tried to make thier lyrics click
To each his own
But some entries have blown
While many are just plain sick
Yes, entering the game Castillo was slugging .307 and Santana .389. Actually, Santana is outslugging Delgado (.368), Schneider (.380) and Pagan (.374) too.
That could have been worse. And almost certainly will be.
Robert
on May 20, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Yikes. Not exactly fooling them Tommy, but at least they only got one.
wally k
on May 20, 2008 at 12:24 pm
From everything I’ve read and seen, Santana has 10 times the athleticism of Castillo and Delgado, who, frankly, probably use a walker to get around outside of the stadium.
I am the only person in the world who thinks that’s a good play. The way I see it, the difference in run expectation between one out, runner at second, and one out, runner at first isn’t that great. And the run expectation of none out, runners first and third is very high indeed. How often do they have to screw it up (remember, there’s no force) to make it a good play?
Depends on the hit and the baserunner, Jeff Francoeur.
Sometimes they screw up. Sometimes the shortstop doesn’t even look the runner back and throws straight to first — especially with a fast lefthanded hitter. Sometimes the runner can get into a rundown. Lots of things can happen.
Those were a lot of pitches from both starters for there to only end up with 1 run for each team.
Parish
on May 20, 2008 at 12:40 pm
I think the chance of McCann getting an extra base hit to score a run on a 3-2 count is higher than the chance Francoeur singles off the righty.
At least right now.
wally k
on May 20, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Reyes actually did nearly the same thing as Escobar Sunday against the Yankees. Except the announcers went on for 30 minutes about how smart Jeter was in playing it that way–really, Reyes just had too big a lead.
Francoeur can be bad and stay where he is and play everyday, like in 2006 when he put up an OBP under .300 and played all 162 games. Kelly Johnson goes a month-and-a-half with an OBP around .333 and five homeruns and he’s dropped to the seven-hole and loses playing time to Omar Infante.
Robert
on May 20, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Awesome at bat by Blanco. Cleared the (other) pitcher’s spot.
Good AB from Blanco, gets Francoeur the pitcher out of the way.
Nathan
on May 20, 2008 at 12:50 pm
I don’t much care about KJ’s K there; he worked the count and that last pitch was pretty iffy.
wally k
on May 20, 2008 at 12:50 pm
JB, it was the ESPN game of the week thingie. Joe Morgan would have commented on it, but he was too busy talking about how David Wright’s body left 3rd base early on a sac. fly, but his feet were still on the bag.
I understand that there’s probably a certain nostalgia, or a certain comfort in having a guy like Joe Morgan work for ESPN, but for the life of me, I’ve never watched a game where he did anything but mumble. He’s like the Jabba the Hutt of baseball comentation (word?). Mumble mumble grumble grumble.
It’s funny how you can actually see Francoeur thinking up there. He knows he should be patient so he decides to take the first pitch. Fastball right down the middle. So he decides “forget that, I can’t let another one of those pass, I’m swinging!” Strike two on a ball in the lefty batter’s box, strike three at a ball cap bill high.
I still think most of the time he decides whether or not to swing before the pitcher even begins his windup.
braves14
on May 20, 2008 at 12:57 pm
I’m concerned that Glavine is getting mostly flyouts.
Robert
on May 20, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Quick inning through the 2-3-4 spots. Nicely done.
Maine already over 50 pitches with none out in the third.
Robert
on May 20, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Yesco again. That guy is awesome.
Parish
on May 20, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Escobar’s BA now less than 100 points behind Chipper.
braves14
on May 20, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Time to score some runs.
braves14
on May 20, 2008 at 1:03 pm
So much for that.
Parish
on May 20, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Ugh! Why make it easier on Maine?
Robert
on May 20, 2008 at 1:03 pm
I guess he would be more awesome if he’d stop making outs on the bases.
Nathan
on May 20, 2008 at 1:04 pm
That was a great at-bat. A great at-bat, even if he probably got his hit off ball 4. Anything inside or close, Yunel took his hack and fouled it off; anything outside, he straight took.
The steal attempt was terrible, though. Terrible.
Smitty
on May 20, 2008 at 1:04 pm
I don’t like the out, but it took a perfect throw to get him. I like the agressive baserunning.
Speaking of Frenchy…
I heard a radio interview the other day with former Met OF Ron Swoboda. He was asked why his power numbers diminished each year after his rookie season.
He replied that, after he was in the big leagues a couple years, he began to “over-analyze” each pitcher & each situation.
He was basically getting himself out—just guessing wrong, really—and Mets coach Joe Pignatano finally told him, “Ron, don’t think out there—you’re hurting the team.”
OBP now about .303. That’s never good. He’s a bad player.
Stephen
on May 20, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Frenchy comes through again…
Dan
on May 20, 2008 at 1:11 pm
“The two-out RBIs make Francoeur probably the most valuable hitter on the Braves’ team this season.”
-Chip Caray, 2006
Hanan
on May 20, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Frenchy’s problem over thinking? Nope, its swinging at too many bad pitches, failing to work the count and hitting behind in the count too often. He is extremely pitchable.
At least that’s the way I see it, especially of late.
Stephen
on May 20, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Is anyone having trouble with MLB.TV? I lost the Sports South version and am now listening the the Mets.
FROM THE LAST MEETING OF THE ATLANTA CHAPTER OF OVERTHINKERS ANONYMOUS
JF: Hi, I’m Jeff, and I’m an overthinker.
(SILENCE)
Hey, where is everyone? Oh, here’s a note. (READS NOTE, SLOWLY) “Dear Jeff. Have been sent to Richmond. Sorry, you’re all alone for now. Thinking of you, Chuck.”
It’s become a mantra, but “If Frenchy’s not going to hit for power…”
Robert
on May 20, 2008 at 1:17 pm
#128 – my mlb.tv has switched several times between the Braves feed and the Mets feed. I don’t know why. Due to the Chip Carey factor, I take my headphones off when the Braves feed is on.
Chuck James and Jeff Francoeur are similar in that they have a very limited number of things they do well — in Chuck’s case, a changeup, in Jeff’s case, a rifle — and neither seems able to learn how to do anything else well.
Nathan
on May 20, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Um, somehow Glavine looks good all of a sudden. Anybody have ideas what happened?
It’s a good bunt situation, it’s just that we can’t bunt.
Nathan
on May 20, 2008 at 1:26 pm
I’ve been concerned about the whole ‘if you can’t hit for power, you won’t be able to draw walks in the majors’ idea about Blanco, but so far that just seems to be false.
Smitty
on May 20, 2008 at 1:26 pm
That is a perfect bunt situaition. Good job Tommy.
Glavine for Bunting Coach!
wally k
on May 20, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Mac, not to be totally off topic, but do you ever read sadlyno.com? I think you might like it. Onward to baseball…
I do, sporadically. I prefer the Poor Man. Let’s stay away from the topic before it gets political.
mraver
on May 20, 2008 at 1:28 pm
FWIW, I think the Dunn thing was about bunting for a hit, not a sacrafice. Don’t they put a big shift on for him? I’ve actually never understood why big guys like that didn’t get good at putting mediocre bunts down the third-base line for easy singles. Or at least to get the defense out of the shift.
Smitty
on May 20, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Blanco’s AB got us that run.
wally k
on May 20, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Yeah, no worries. I was just thinking you have a very similar vein of humor running through you.
Baseball topic:
Dunn is a player I would love to have, any day of the week.
Hate King
on May 20, 2008 at 1:33 pm
No chance they hit for Maine here, right? What’s his pitch count?
Nathan
on May 20, 2008 at 1:33 pm
I’ve moved to Ohio recently, and I’m stunned by the general attitude Reds fans have towards Adam Dunn. They all seem to think he’s a marginal bum; I was at a bar this weekend where one of them was crowing to an Indians fan about how of all people, the Indians had gotten owned by Adam Dunn, the human fan. He definitely seemed to think that it was the final humiliation that the Indians had been beaten by Adam Dunn.
Robert
on May 20, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Joe just told me it would be a good time for Glavine to have a quick 1-2-3 inning. No word yet on when would be good time to have a long, crappy inning where he gives up a bunch of runs.
Reds fans have a blind spot when it comes to Dunn, no question. I think every team’s fans has a blind spot when it comes to someone who, despite all appearances to the contrary, was not merely good but was in fact great.
That’s the third jinx of this thread. Something fishy is going on.
mraver
on May 20, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Excellent. Five innings from the Mets’ pen in game 1 with Claudio Vargas going in game 2? Now let’s just get some runs to ice this one. 🙂
Stu
on May 20, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Wow, fourth jinx.
Rob Cope
on May 20, 2008 at 1:44 pm
I was thinking Andruw but Belliard seemed more fun. The thing with Andruw is that people are just too close to the crap-side of his Braves career. I think 5 years from now, the complete view of his career will help us to remember how good he is.
Alright, Frenchy. Get the job done. Just get Chipper home somehow. Babysteps.
Frank
on May 20, 2008 at 1:45 pm
As long as McCann doesn’t hit into a dp or clear the bases, the scene will be set for Jeff to get the last bit of the trifecta.
Robert
on May 20, 2008 at 1:46 pm
IBB, nevermind. Thank you Mr. Randolph.
mraver
on May 20, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Bahahaha!
Hanan
on May 20, 2008 at 1:46 pm
This may be Willie Randolph’s Waterloo….walking Francouer, who moist assuredly would have swung at the first pitch 3 feet off the plate, to face the hot hitting Kelly Johnson.
braves14
on May 20, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Am I seeing correctly on Gameday where they are IBB’ing Frenchy?!?
I’m assuming it’s because Willie wanted to bases loaded for the force out. But yeah Frenchy’s not been the go-to lately.
It paid off though, cuz KJ got him in.
Glavine is owning the Metros right now. I love it.
Hate King
on May 20, 2008 at 1:55 pm
I think I would have, Stu. Schoeneweis has been tough against lefties this year.
Robert
on May 20, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Bennett is throwing, so prepare to be displeased….
Mr. Swings@Everything
on May 20, 2008 at 1:56 pm
@ 126
That’s the thing I’ve always hated the most about Chip: the joy he takes in being a shill for the team. You can just hear the zeal in his voice while he reads another dumbass ad disguised as a contest while the game goes on in the background.
I know this can fall apart at any moment, so I’m not doing the funky chicken about it just yet, but the Mets fans have got to hate losing to Glavine like this.
Rob Cope
on May 20, 2008 at 2:00 pm
On a TV channel called CSS up here in northeast Florida, it’s scheduled to have the Braves game on right now. But for some reason, a tape-delayed University of Miami baseball game is on. Inexplicable.
Robert
on May 20, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Ohman’s throwing now. Hopefully we can save Bennett for game 2.
Mr. Swings@Everything
on May 20, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Rob,
I hate it when that happens. I used to have to call the local radio station frequently to tell the the game had started and that they needed to change it over. They also sometimes preempt live Braves baseball to rebroadcast a taped Mark Richt call in show. I’m glad I got the MLB radio thing online now.
Parish
on May 20, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Wow. Way to come back on Church, Ohman!
Rob Cope
on May 20, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Yeah, I’m watching it on MLB.TV, but that is definitely not the same.
Cliff
on May 20, 2008 at 2:10 pm
OH! MAN!
Robert
on May 20, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Three quick ones for Ohman. Maybe he can go two.
Stu
on May 20, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Talk about opening the door to second guessing after the way Glavine was dealing today.
Yeah, well, I first-guessed it. I don’t think we’ll lose this game, but with Glavine having thrown only 82 pitches and this being Game 1 of a double-header, I’d have left him in there and not gone to the ‘pen until it was more obviously necessary. Maybe Glavine told Cox he was done or something.
Just back from the deli owned by a Clemson-grad Braves fun, loaded with Met-fan employees.
They had the game on the radio. Between the customers & clerks, you’d think they were all on death row.
They hate losing to the Braves so much, they can’t even talk about it. And they hate Glavine so much, you can see their temples twitching at the mention of his name. And the Delgado strikeout was a moment.
And the year before that, Heilman had 42 innings as a starter and 66 as a reliever, so he pitched 239 innings in relief 2005-2007.
Stu, you’re right that Boyer’s ahead of him, but at some point we’ll have Soriano, Gonzalez and Smoltz back to take back a bit of the load. Right now, Heilman’s on pace for another 85 innings.
Does anyone still think they’ll move McCann out from behind the plate?
Frank
on May 20, 2008 at 2:21 pm
ububba–I think I can hear them howling all the way down here in GA 🙂
jea
on May 20, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Me too, Stu. Me too.
Frank
on May 20, 2008 at 2:23 pm
McC did his old roomie a favor–by clearing the bases there’s no chance for a DP
Parish
on May 20, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Even Heilman can get Francoeur to pop up on the infield.
Stu
on May 20, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Francoeur isn’t good right now. That won’t stop Lando from making a sarcastic pro-Jeff remark two weeks from now when he drives in a run in an 8-2 loss.
Stu
on May 20, 2008 at 2:26 pm
For those able to watch the game, was anyone warming up in the bullpen or are we sticking with Ohman?
Well, I hope you’re not too surprised that Boyer’s pitching. That was the second time that Ohman went 3-0 on the leadoff man in an inning, and recovered to strike him out. He struck out 3 guys in an inning and a third, but of his 19 pitches only 10 were strikes. I’m happy with the end result, but I’d love it if he could throw a strike at the beginning of an at bat, not just at the end.
jj3bagger
on May 20, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Meaningless singles with two outs in the eighth down by five runs ARE SO EXCITING !!!! I’m sorry, I got excited just typing that.
Stu, I’m happy Ohman’s getting guys out today. But I hate hate hate LOOGYs who can’t at least throw strikes. I mean, if you’re brought in to get one guy out and you can’t throw strikes, what the hell are you good for?
(Yes, that’s residual annoyance pent up from watching Macay McBride.)
Parish
on May 20, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Chipper is definitely in a slump right now.
Mr. Swings@Everything
on May 20, 2008 at 2:46 pm
I got Stockmania! Bring him in!
Nevin
on May 20, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Top of the 8th, Braves winning.
Double-header. Good relievers thinning.
We don’t want to lose
more to James Andrews
Bobby, give Chris Resop some innings!
Corky Miller to catch game 2. Corky:rallies::roundup:weeds
adiven jack
on May 20, 2008 at 2:53 pm
There’s no way both Boyer and Acosta should have pitched in this game. I know Bobby’s trying to seal the deal but we’re up by 5 runs. Glavine retired like 17 in a row. He was good for another inning.
Parish
on May 20, 2008 at 2:54 pm
I would rather see Stockman saved for the hypothetically tighter game two.
Bethany
on May 20, 2008 at 2:54 pm
I hate Acosta so much. I know the game isn’t close, but ugh. I never feel safe when he pitches.
And I’m not going to complain about too much about anything after we beat the Mets.
negrote
on May 20, 2008 at 2:56 pm
YEAH MORE POETRY PLEASE!!
jj3bagger
on May 20, 2008 at 2:56 pm
What’s the lowest amount of save or save opps vs. wins in the “save era?” Six saves in 44 games, and 23 wins, seems very odd to me.
Landogarner
on May 20, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Go Bravos.
Nevin
on May 20, 2008 at 3:00 pm
fyi – Langerhans doing well at AAA for the Nats:
.314/.424/.450 in about 150 ABs
Stu
on May 20, 2008 at 3:02 pm
AAR,
I don’t disagree w/ you re: LOOGYs who can’t throw strikes. I thought you were saying that you approved of Cox’s maneuver to take Ohman out in favor of Boyer, though, which would make you insane.
Weldon
on May 20, 2008 at 3:02 pm
I guess Bobby is just assuming the battery of Corky and Campillo is going to produce a loss and that’s why he used Boyer and Acosta in the first game.
Stu, now I see what happened. Suffice to say I’m annoyed both by Ohman’s inability to throw first-pitch strikes and by Bobby’s criminal overuse of Boyer.
AWESOME LYRICS!!!! AMEN…
There once was a team whose home looked scary,
At times all their fans could do was chant ‘Larry’.
One year they saw the NL prize within their grasp
Then they choked and lost; all laughed at their memorable collapse.
GO BRAVES!
Best limerick I’ve heard in a long time, and I know a few old men from Perú.
There once was a time I remember
Twin billings were a shine and a glimmer
But now it’s bitch
To go see the first pitch
Cuz you know you have to leave and re-enter.
And I know some gals from Nantucket.
Well-done, Mac.
They used to be on tv each day
we could all watch the Braves and not pay
and now Richmond they’re leaving
I think I’m still grieving
At least were not going 0-fer-May
NL East crown is there to be had
But we cannot beat teams that are bad
Then Smoltz hurts his shoulder
Cox bunts everyone over
When Frenchy and Teix hit we’ll be glad
Our 1B’s hitting worse than Pipp
We hit a wall on each road trip
Please call a lawyer
If Cox kills Boyer
Let’s win another ring for Skip.
There once was a pitcher named Roger
He once was a Met and a Dodger
He became a coach
Who’s dumb as a roach
And made each hurler a DL lodger.
Our Pythag record’s night and day
With more .500 on the way
And all because of our 1B —
The SOB who LOB —
Send Tex to Triple-A!
Lose by one run and win by a bunch
That’s the way each Brave fan loses lunch
Our shortstop is fine
And third baseman divine
But our first baseman needs such a punch
Though past seasons have been full of strife,
I’m a Braves fan and will be for life.
So let’s root for Chipper,
Hope he hits a round-tripper,
And beats the Mets like he once beat his opponents, the Cleveland Indians in the 1995 World Series.
The host started off with a limrick
Others tried to make thier lyrics click
To each his own
But some entries have blown
While many are just plain sick
I hope you liked mine, MGL
Because I had liked yours as well
Oh, and just by the way
I did this Q&A
So c’mon, let’s beat the Mets to hell!
I think I’ll instead
opt for Haiku to comment
on the thread(s) today.
I’m going to be bold and go ahead and end the poetry by saying this….
Game time in 9 minutes and it’s almost time to beat the hell out of the Metros!
Man, that first pitch bunt out was exciting!
uhhh… Luis Castillo? .. really?
I think until about 3 minutes ago, Johan Santana had a higher slugging pct. than Castillo.
his first HR of the year… grumble grumble grumble
Getting ugly early.
Yes, entering the game Castillo was slugging .307 and Santana .389. Actually, Santana is outslugging Delgado (.368), Schneider (.380) and Pagan (.374) too.
That could have been worse. And almost certainly will be.
Yikes. Not exactly fooling them Tommy, but at least they only got one.
From everything I’ve read and seen, Santana has 10 times the athleticism of Castillo and Delgado, who, frankly, probably use a walker to get around outside of the stadium.
That could’ve been SO much worse… whew.
Glavine go through the first with only one run–sounds pretty decent to me….
I cannot believe Glavine got out of that without any more runs scoring.
Also, nice limericks, everyone. Well, for the most part.
Hopefully, we can chalk that up to Tommy’s legendary 1st-inning troubles. Hopefully…
Actually, Santana is only nine points below the Mets’ team slugging percentage.
Castillo and Delgado, who, frankly, probably use a walker to get around outside of the stadium.
Both of them looked really old trying to chase down that popup. Kind of embarrassing.
We are going to need some runs to today!
Yunel!! Lets bring him home…
Did anyone out there like my limerick?
I was so proud.
Oh well. I just wanted to express my disgust over these day/night “double headers”
Anyone actually watching? How did Escobar freaking screw that up?
“The Braves being very aggressive early in the count against John Maine.”
Translation – “Once again, the Braves swinging at everything that comes within ten feet of the plate.”
Over under on Chipper out-averaging the Met’s team slugging pct?
Routine grounder to short, for some reason Yunel broke for third and was thrown out easily. Dumb play.
Parish – there wasn’t much to it, it was grounded right to Jose Reyes and Yunel took off.
Dan, did AJ put on a Braves uni today?
I am the only person in the world who thinks that’s a good play. The way I see it, the difference in run expectation between one out, runner at second, and one out, runner at first isn’t that great. And the run expectation of none out, runners first and third is very high indeed. How often do they have to screw it up (remember, there’s no force) to make it a good play?
Yay!
Tex!
They aren’t going to screw that up too often. That’s an easy short throw and they had him by a step or two.
How many hits does it take to get a runner home from second with two outs?
Nevermind. Gameday initially said Kotsay stoppped at third.
Tex–now we are off to a good starte…
Depends on the hit and the baserunner, Jeff Francoeur.
Sometimes they screw up. Sometimes the shortstop doesn’t even look the runner back and throws straight to first — especially with a fast lefthanded hitter. Sometimes the runner can get into a rundown. Lots of things can happen.
Tex keeps it going from Sunday’s double. That’s a good start
That’s okay, a ten-pitch at-bat helps even if it ends with an out.
Nice AB by McCann. I am definitely glad he did not take the walk with Frenchy waiting.
Okay, DirecTV, why is the game blacked out? Anyone else having this problem?
Well, a walk (putting a runner in scoring position) is a lot better than an out, even with the Flailing Man on deck.
In theory.
On a close play lost of things might happen, but that was easy.
Nice play by Kelly.
Those were a lot of pitches from both starters for there to only end up with 1 run for each team.
I think the chance of McCann getting an extra base hit to score a run on a 3-2 count is higher than the chance Francoeur singles off the righty.
At least right now.
Reyes actually did nearly the same thing as Escobar Sunday against the Yankees. Except the announcers went on for 30 minutes about how smart Jeter was in playing it that way–really, Reyes just had too big a lead.
So far so good in the 2nd for Glavine. At least that one run is erased already.
I would prefer to get Francoeur out of the way so we can rally next inning. You know, like the pitcher’s spot.
-59 Ouch!
Francoeur’s slugging percentage is .400, so if he plays his cards right today he could drop below the Santana Line.
Frenchy may be ok without baserunners. In any case, where has his power gone?
Wally which station was that Subway game televised on?
If was Fox I’m surprised Tim McCarver only talked for 30 minutes about a single play.
If it was ESPN Joe Morgan’s voice for half an hour makes me want to shoot someone.
1-2-3 sit down. Make it 130 ABs without a HR.
Strike one, strike two, strike three.
You are not good at baseball, Jeff Francoeur.
The Santana line…ha ha!
Mac I guess that’s how you measure Mets’ bats but let’s get some positivity around Frenchy here.
Pathetic–even if the call was bad…
oh well i spoke to soon about being positive about Jeff
oh well i spoke too soon about being positive about Jeff
franKoeur
Francoeur’s OBP is also plunging towards .300, and might already be there (.307 coming in). Slugging below .400 now. Useless.
At least Kelly made him work for it.
At least it took 7 pitches for KJ to strikeout.
Somebody owes somebody a Coke.
Francoeur can be bad and stay where he is and play everyday, like in 2006 when he put up an OBP under .300 and played all 162 games. Kelly Johnson goes a month-and-a-half with an OBP around .333 and five homeruns and he’s dropped to the seven-hole and loses playing time to Omar Infante.
Awesome at bat by Blanco. Cleared the (other) pitcher’s spot.
Good AB from Blanco, gets
Francoeurthe pitcher out of the way.I don’t much care about KJ’s K there; he worked the count and that last pitch was pretty iffy.
JB, it was the ESPN game of the week thingie. Joe Morgan would have commented on it, but he was too busy talking about how David Wright’s body left 3rd base early on a sac. fly, but his feet were still on the bag.
I understand that there’s probably a certain nostalgia, or a certain comfort in having a guy like Joe Morgan work for ESPN, but for the life of me, I’ve never watched a game where he did anything but mumble. He’s like the Jabba the Hutt of baseball comentation (word?). Mumble mumble grumble grumble.
And another jinx!
Chipper, B-Mac, KJ, and Blanco really made this guy work. I love to see those deep pitch count ABs.
How can Francoeur not learn from this?
thirsty people here today
Because he’s dumb, Parish.
If you had to guess who would homer this game, I would say Glavine is as good a bet as Castillo.
Can’t stand him, Wally K.
I can’t remember the name of the other irritating ESPN announcer right now. Bald guy with some white hair and glasses.
I sound like an idiot but he drive me up the wall too.
and yes Joe Morgan can def. be a Jabba
45 pitches for Maine through 2
Even Glavine having a better AB than Francoeur. New lineup:
Blanco
Kotsay
Escobar
Chipper
Teixeira
McCann
KJ
Pitcher
Francoeur
Francoeur will be the Braves’ .725 OPS right fielder for many years to come. Deal with it.
new lineup
Blanco
Kotsay
Escobar
Chipper
Tex
BMac
KJ
Diaz
Pitcher
Ouch
It’s funny how you can actually see Francoeur thinking up there. He knows he should be patient so he decides to take the first pitch. Fastball right down the middle. So he decides “forget that, I can’t let another one of those pass, I’m swinging!” Strike two on a ball in the lefty batter’s box, strike three at a ball cap bill high.
I still think most of the time he decides whether or not to swing before the pitcher even begins his windup.
I’m concerned that Glavine is getting mostly flyouts.
Quick inning through the 2-3-4 spots. Nicely done.
Another 1-2-3 for Glavine. That makes me feel a little better
How about:
Blanco
Esco
Chipper
BMac
Tex
KJ
Kotsay
Frenchy
Pitcher
Me too, braves14.
I can’t see how deep they’re going cuz i’m on Gameday but i’d like to see more groundouts.
Flyouts from a team slugging .398 and with only two real power threats, one of whom is the immortal Ryan Church.
He certainly hasn’t fooled Beltran yet.
Maine already over 50 pitches with none out in the third.
Yesco again. That guy is awesome.
Escobar’s BA now less than 100 points behind Chipper.
Time to score some runs.
So much for that.
Ugh! Why make it easier on Maine?
I guess he would be more awesome if he’d stop making outs on the bases.
That was a great at-bat. A great at-bat, even if he probably got his hit off ball 4. Anything inside or close, Yunel took his hack and fouled it off; anything outside, he straight took.
The steal attempt was terrible, though. Terrible.
I don’t like the out, but it took a perfect throw to get him. I like the agressive baserunning.
Escobar giveth & taketh away.
Speaking of Frenchy…
I heard a radio interview the other day with former Met OF Ron Swoboda. He was asked why his power numbers diminished each year after his rookie season.
He replied that, after he was in the big leagues a couple years, he began to “over-analyze” each pitcher & each situation.
He was basically getting himself out—just guessing wrong, really—and Mets coach Joe Pignatano finally told him, “Ron, don’t think out there—you’re hurting the team.”
Chipper for President.
I don’t think over-thinking is Jeff’s problem any more than it is Chuck’s.
Mmmm. Wish Escobar hadn’t tried.
Tex!
I know that was only a single, but this is where he starts to turn it on.
Tex is heating up.
Beltran is a pussy.
Four hits…and finally a run!
Yeah. That caught stealing looks really bad right now.
McCann for president.
McCann!
Inning about to be over, though.
Come on Frenchy
Don’t think, Jeff. Just hit a 3-run HR, OK?
He put it in play though
Man he sucks. He kills this team.
OBP now about .303. That’s never good. He’s a bad player.
Frenchy comes through again…
“The two-out RBIs make Francoeur probably the most valuable hitter on the Braves’ team this season.”
-Chip Caray, 2006
Frenchy’s problem over thinking? Nope, its swinging at too many bad pitches, failing to work the count and hitting behind in the count too often. He is extremely pitchable.
At least that’s the way I see it, especially of late.
Is anyone having trouble with MLB.TV? I lost the Sports South version and am now listening the the Mets.
At least it takes care of Chip Carey…
Maybe his problem is that he’s overthinking and he’s dumb.
71 pitches for Maine.
So… what we’re suggesting is that Frenchy needs to hit more like Chucky pitches?
Over thinking = he thinks he can hit unhittable pitches.
FROM THE LAST MEETING OF THE ATLANTA CHAPTER OF OVERTHINKERS ANONYMOUS
JF: Hi, I’m Jeff, and I’m an overthinker.
(SILENCE)
Hey, where is everyone? Oh, here’s a note. (READS NOTE, SLOWLY) “Dear Jeff. Have been sent to Richmond. Sorry, you’re all alone for now. Thinking of you, Chuck.”
Wow – Church has 9 homers this year?
another mac production that needs a video
It’s become a mantra, but “If Frenchy’s not going to hit for power…”
#128 – my mlb.tv has switched several times between the Braves feed and the Mets feed. I don’t know why. Due to the Chip Carey factor, I take my headphones off when the Braves feed is on.
Chuck James and Jeff Francoeur are similar in that they have a very limited number of things they do well — in Chuck’s case, a changeup, in Jeff’s case, a rifle — and neither seems able to learn how to do anything else well.
Um, somehow Glavine looks good all of a sudden. Anybody have ideas what happened?
Remember, you can’t spell DELGADO without D-E-A-D.
He realized he was facing a team with a collective .398 slugging percentage and a dead man at first base?
I always thought Ryan Church was a solid player. I figured Frank Robinson just didn’t like him.
DON’T BUNT!
Man, Kelly can /hit/.
Kelly!
Unless Blanco homers, there is guaranteed bunt in our near future.
Does anyone think Joe Simpson has a thing of some kind for Gregor Blanco?
O-L-D A-G-E is in there too.
Did yall see the thing on FJM where Dusty tried to bunt with Adam Dunn in the 9th inning, right before he hit a walkoff?
I did. What’s more, it was a one-out bunt.
Good at bat by Blanco! Why was he in the minors so long? No power?
#146 – for good reason. Another great at bat.
Look out – another episode of bunt follies is on the way!
This is actually a good bunt situation. I would even do it here.
Now we bunt.
Dan, I have some kind of thing for Gregor Blanco.
He should be our starting right fielder. Give the left field job to Matt Diaz/Brandon Jones.
It’s a good bunt situation, it’s just that we can’t bunt.
I’ve been concerned about the whole ‘if you can’t hit for power, you won’t be able to draw walks in the majors’ idea about Blanco, but so far that just seems to be false.
That is a perfect bunt situaition. Good job Tommy.
Glavine for Bunting Coach!
Mac, not to be totally off topic, but do you ever read sadlyno.com? I think you might like it. Onward to baseball…
Nice, Tommy.
Wow, a good bunt for once. Now, go show Reyes how to.
Esco!
a successful bunt and situational hitting….say it ain’t so!
A successful sacrifice bunt. The Braves have turned a corner.
Sac fly for Esco.
See, this is the team I thought we were before the season started.
I do, sporadically. I prefer the Poor Man. Let’s stay away from the topic before it gets political.
FWIW, I think the Dunn thing was about bunting for a hit, not a sacrafice. Don’t they put a big shift on for him? I’ve actually never understood why big guys like that didn’t get good at putting mediocre bunts down the third-base line for easy singles. Or at least to get the defense out of the shift.
Blanco’s AB got us that run.
Yeah, no worries. I was just thinking you have a very similar vein of humor running through you.
Baseball topic:
Dunn is a player I would love to have, any day of the week.
No chance they hit for Maine here, right? What’s his pitch count?
I’ve moved to Ohio recently, and I’m stunned by the general attitude Reds fans have towards Adam Dunn. They all seem to think he’s a marginal bum; I was at a bar this weekend where one of them was crowing to an Indians fan about how of all people, the Indians had gotten owned by Adam Dunn, the human fan. He definitely seemed to think that it was the final humiliation that the Indians had been beaten by Adam Dunn.
Joe just told me it would be a good time for Glavine to have a quick 1-2-3 inning. No word yet on when would be good time to have a long, crappy inning where he gives up a bunch of runs.
Maine is at 91 pitches.
Reds fans have a blind spot when it comes to Dunn, no question. I think every team’s fans has a blind spot when it comes to someone who, despite all appearances to the contrary, was not merely good but was in fact great.
Might be Darrell Evans for us.
That’s 14 in a row for Glavine.
Does the deluge begin next inning?
A K and a popout–looks like Jeff is 2/3 of the way to the “Frenchy trifecta.” Still has 2-3 PAs to get the double play.
Nice to run up Maine’s pitch count and get into their pen in the first game of the DH. Too bad Sosa’s not around any longer.
I think it’s Rafael Belliard for us…
Nice job Chipper!
Time to put a crooked number on the board – if Frenchy doesn’t sabotage things.
Yep, Darrell Evans, but with more HRs, and way more Ks.
This inning is off to a good start. Crooked-number time?
I think it was Andruw.
I’d say Andruw fit that bill for Braves fans, AAR and Rob.
Robert!
We’re not supposed to think alike!
That’s the third jinx of this thread. Something fishy is going on.
Excellent. Five innings from the Mets’ pen in game 1 with Claudio Vargas going in game 2? Now let’s just get some runs to ice this one. 🙂
Wow, fourth jinx.
I was thinking Andruw but Belliard seemed more fun. The thing with Andruw is that people are just too close to the crap-side of his Braves career. I think 5 years from now, the complete view of his career will help us to remember how good he is.
Torn cartilage in Andruw’s knee…
http://nationalpost.pa-sportsticker.com/default.aspx?s=mlb-news-display&nid=A9169941211297151A
Alright, Frenchy. Get the job done. Just get Chipper home somehow. Babysteps.
As long as McCann doesn’t hit into a dp or clear the bases, the scene will be set for Jeff to get the last bit of the trifecta.
IBB, nevermind. Thank you Mr. Randolph.
Bahahaha!
This may be Willie Randolph’s Waterloo….walking Francouer, who moist assuredly would have swung at the first pitch 3 feet off the plate, to face the hot hitting Kelly Johnson.
Am I seeing correctly on Gameday where they are IBB’ing Frenchy?!?
Walking Frenchy. Uhhh… I like it!
OK, thanks, Willie.
intentionally walked–I bet the Mets fans are screaminb bloody murder about Randolph
They’re intentionally walking Francoeur… and that’s why Mets fans want to fire Willie Randolph.
Excuse me, they “ealked” Francoeur.
Sac fly for Kelly, 4-1 Braves.
Not that Alou was going to get him there, but that was a really bad throw.
We love sac flies today…
Thought Blanco was fast…
Better than double plays, I suppose.
Would anyone have hit Diaz for Blanco there? I can’t decide.
Good little ball today….maybe a good sign of things to come.
Final line on Maine: 4+ IP, 8 H, 3BB, 2 K, 99 pitches.
With the way Glavine is pitching, I think that you save Diaz for late innings if necessary….
EALKED! ha ha ha I love it!
That atbat against Wright was sick. Three 83 mph ‘fastballs.’
Wow, I blinked and missed the top of the inning.
I love me some Tommy. If Bobby pinch-hits for him this inning, I will not be pleased.
I’m assuming it’s because Willie wanted to bases loaded for the force out. But yeah Frenchy’s not been the go-to lately.
It paid off though, cuz KJ got him in.
Glavine is owning the Metros right now. I love it.
I think I would have, Stu. Schoeneweis has been tough against lefties this year.
Bennett is throwing, so prepare to be displeased….
@ 126
That’s the thing I’ve always hated the most about Chip: the joy he takes in being a shill for the team. You can just hear the zeal in his voice while he reads another dumbass ad disguised as a contest while the game goes on in the background.
Oh by the way http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/stockph01.shtml
The link is screwed up right now but he’s supposed to be fixing it for me.
I dunno what I’d do here, Stu. He’s pitched six strong. I dunno what his pitch count is, but I dunno if I would want to blow things.
Well, there’s that.
Let Glavine hit!
Well, now it’s Gotay’s turn for a little Met revenge.
The game’s suddenly showing up for me on TV instead of being blacked out.
Randolph pisses off Met fans by walking Francoeur.
Cox pisses off Braves fans by ph for Glavine. Talk about opening the door to second guessing after the way Glavine was dealing today.
I know this can fall apart at any moment, so I’m not doing the funky chicken about it just yet, but the Mets fans have got to hate losing to Glavine like this.
On a TV channel called CSS up here in northeast Florida, it’s scheduled to have the Braves game on right now. But for some reason, a tape-delayed University of Miami baseball game is on. Inexplicable.
Ohman’s throwing now. Hopefully we can save Bennett for game 2.
Rob,
I hate it when that happens. I used to have to call the local radio station frequently to tell the the game had started and that they needed to change it over. They also sometimes preempt live Braves baseball to rebroadcast a taped Mark Richt call in show. I’m glad I got the MLB radio thing online now.
Wow. Way to come back on Church, Ohman!
Yeah, I’m watching it on MLB.TV, but that is definitely not the same.
OH! MAN!
Three quick ones for Ohman. Maybe he can go two.
Talk about opening the door to second guessing after the way Glavine was dealing today.
Yeah, well, I first-guessed it. I don’t think we’ll lose this game, but with Glavine having thrown only 82 pitches and this being Game 1 of a double-header, I’d have left him in there and not gone to the ‘pen until it was more obviously necessary. Maybe Glavine told Cox he was done or something.
Hopefully, Cox leaves Ohman in for the 8th.
Fun fact about Aaron Heilman: he has 173 innings pitched in relief the last 2 years.
Time to break this one open.
Is Heilman the Mets’ human white flag this year?
Yeah, saw that in your Q&A, AAR. He’s got nothing on the Boyer pace.
Glavine’s not a 9 inning guy but I would have hoped for 1 more from him. But you’re right Stu–maybe Glavine told Cox he was gassed.
Just back from the deli owned by a Clemson-grad Braves fun, loaded with Met-fan employees.
They had the game on the radio. Between the customers & clerks, you’d think they were all on death row.
They hate losing to the Braves so much, they can’t even talk about it. And they hate Glavine so much, you can see their temples twitching at the mention of his name. And the Delgado strikeout was a moment.
Please let’s hang onto this one.
And the year before that, Heilman had 42 innings as a starter and 66 as a reliever, so he pitched 239 innings in relief 2005-2007.
Stu, you’re right that Boyer’s ahead of him, but at some point we’ll have Soriano, Gonzalez and Smoltz back to take back a bit of the load. Right now, Heilman’s on pace for another 85 innings.
Bmac!
Hell yeah McCann!!!!
Heilman has become very bad.
Oh, I know, AAR. I just like complaining about Bobby’s use of Blaine at every chance I get.
I love you, Heap!
I love Brian McCann so much.
Mac attack!
Does anyone still think they’ll move McCann out from behind the plate?
ububba–I think I can hear them howling all the way down here in GA 🙂
Me too, Stu. Me too.
McC did his old roomie a favor–by clearing the bases there’s no chance for a DP
Even Heilman can get Francoeur to pop up on the infield.
Francoeur isn’t good right now. That won’t stop Lando from making a sarcastic pro-Jeff remark two weeks from now when he drives in a run in an 8-2 loss.
For those able to watch the game, was anyone warming up in the bullpen or are we sticking with Ohman?
Of course, Lando will point out that Adam LaRoche is batting .207 /.299 /.352. Then again, this is like pointing out that “worse” is worse than “bad.”
It is, but they are both bad.
And it won’t stop you from being a dick Stu but that’s what I like about you 🙂 Dependable.
Oooh, Fernando Tatis is here!
The Francoeur/LaRoche debate was about who was more valuable to the Braves in 2006, though, not who would end up being better player.
Annnnd here’s Boyer.
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY? We have a 5-run lead! It’s Fernando Tatis!
Well that speaks for itself Alex and nobody here ever admitted that LaRoche makes Frenchy look like Tony Gwynn.
Well, I hope you’re not too surprised that Boyer’s pitching. That was the second time that Ohman went 3-0 on the leadoff man in an inning, and recovered to strike him out. He struck out 3 guys in an inning and a third, but of his 19 pitches only 10 were strikes. I’m happy with the end result, but I’d love it if he could throw a strike at the beginning of an at bat, not just at the end.
Meaningless singles with two outs in the eighth down by five runs ARE SO EXCITING !!!! I’m sorry, I got excited just typing that.
Lando, Tony Gwynn Jr. doesn’t make Frenchy look like Tony Gwynn. Al Leiter didn’t make Frenchy look like Tony Gwynn.
That analogy just won’t hold up.
So what, AAR? We have a 5-run lead. He’s getting guys out. Nobody is even on base. We have a second game tonight.
Also, it’s probably worth pointing out—actually, probably not, but I’ll do it, anyway—that LaRoche has a 109 career OPS+, compared to Francoeur’s 99.
I am not happy with the decision to bring in Boyer. I hope Bobby keeps Acosta out of the ninth.
BLOW THAT ARM OUT
CLAP CLAP
CLAPCLAPCLAP
BLOW THAT ARM OUT
CLAP CLAP
CLAPCLAPCLAP
^^^
New chant for Blaine Boyer’s entry to a game
Going to have to disagree with you there. Huckleberry makes pretty much anyone look like Gwynn.
@264
But can LaRoche sell jeans? Is he from “Atlanta”? I think not! CASE CLOSED
@268
Exactly! And don’t forget that Huckleberry looks and plays like Droopy.
What pitchers are going to be left for tonight? We’ll already be into the bullpen when the first pitch is thrown.
This is maddening. Glavine was cruising.
I have to tell you, guys, I really enjoyed those limericks. I’m also enjoying this lead.
Stu, I’m happy Ohman’s getting guys out today. But I hate hate hate LOOGYs who can’t at least throw strikes. I mean, if you’re brought in to get one guy out and you can’t throw strikes, what the hell are you good for?
(Yes, that’s residual annoyance pent up from watching Macay McBride.)
Chipper is definitely in a slump right now.
I got Stockmania! Bring him in!
Top of the 8th, Braves winning.
Double-header. Good relievers thinning.
We don’t want to lose
more to James Andrews
Bobby, give Chris Resop some innings!
If you didn’t think you’d see Manny Acosta here, you either haven’t been paying attention or you’re giving Bobby far too much credit.
Boyer AND Acosta in game one?
…
Does this mean Bobby doesn’t plan on having a lead for game 2?
He thinks Campillo will throw a five-hit shutout.
Corky Miller to catch game 2. Corky:rallies::roundup:weeds
There’s no way both Boyer and Acosta should have pitched in this game. I know Bobby’s trying to seal the deal but we’re up by 5 runs. Glavine retired like 17 in a row. He was good for another inning.
I would rather see Stockman saved for the hypothetically tighter game two.
I hate Acosta so much. I know the game isn’t close, but ugh. I never feel safe when he pitches.
Put it in the books!
And I’m not going to complain about too much about anything after we beat the Mets.
YEAH MORE POETRY PLEASE!!
What’s the lowest amount of save or save opps vs. wins in the “save era?” Six saves in 44 games, and 23 wins, seems very odd to me.
Go Bravos.
fyi – Langerhans doing well at AAA for the Nats:
.314/.424/.450 in about 150 ABs
AAR,
I don’t disagree w/ you re: LOOGYs who can’t throw strikes. I thought you were saying that you approved of Cox’s maneuver to take Ohman out in favor of Boyer, though, which would make you insane.
I guess Bobby is just assuming the battery of Corky and Campillo is going to produce a loss and that’s why he used Boyer and Acosta in the first game.
Recap/game thread up.
Stu, now I see what happened. Suffice to say I’m annoyed both by Ohman’s inability to throw first-pitch strikes and by Bobby’s criminal overuse of Boyer.
That doesn’t make me insane, just dyspeptic.